Jamel Turner not eligible for HS but is for College
Since i live in Ohio i cant help but see what goes on in Buck news ... Jamel Turner 5* DE formerly of Ursuline HS ..he was deemed ineligible to attend Ursuline .. and also ineligible to attend any Ohio HS .. he will go to a Military Academy in PA and will still most likely attend OSU ..
So he can attend OSU but JUSTIN Turner who has a good GPA and test scores except for 1 may not qualify .. somebody help me understand.
Colleges can let in whoever they want. That simple.
Clearinghouse is not the college's decision...
That's nice, but since he's a 2010 recruit he's yet to deal with the clearinghouse. There is no guarantee he'll be eligible to play. The question was "How is he eligible to go to OSU if he isn't eligible for High School?" The answer is that OSU (and Michigan, for that matter) can let in whoever they want.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:24 PM ^
OK, but they don't really compare. One needs to pass a rigid standardization. The other you are only saying is accepted into OSU, which doesn't mean shit without the clearinghouse. I understand the gist, I'm just saying it's a hard comparison. On another note I try not to remark on player's intelligence after Slocum, but LaTwan seems like he could be that stupid as well. I got negged for saying it last time, but every story I have heard about him points towards SPED.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:46 PM ^
I wasn't making the comparison.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:34 PM ^
OK, I'm satisfied, I just needed to comprehend what you were getting at.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:17 AM ^
Well, within reason. He needs a High School diploma. It seems like that may be tough for him.
Nothing stopping Ohio State (or, again, Michigan) from accepting a student with a GED. Both schools have in exceptional circumstances.
You're missing my point. A GED is the functional equivalent of a diploma. It literally means "Graduate Equivalency Degree" - in other words, it his equivalent to graduating.
So, back to what I said - you have to graduate High School.
My point was that he could, like millions of other people each year, take and pass the GED test. His issues aren't academic.
Your first point merely said that schools could admit anyone they want. That's a general point. I said it wasn't true - the kid had to graduate (and yes, a Graduate Equivalency exam is equivalent to graduating).
I'll bet Jay knows.
Clearly, it is OSU who is keeping Justin Turner away from Michigan.
I don't believe a test score is the reason he was deemed ineligible for Ursuline.
True .. and my post sounded different than what i really intended ... I mean .. i think its bullshit you can be a "A"hole and still get accepted but god forbid you fail one test
But i have heard Jamel's report card cant be refrigerator material
Justin Turner has had more than one chance to pass this test, though. Really, this is 100% on him as to whether or not he plays for us this year.
No excuses.
I know .. but i can pimp slap a teacher and tell the principal to stick it up his candy ass as i drive through the schoolyard smashing beer bottles on my classmates cars ... then say im sorry and still get in
But if i am a good kid and have trouble passing a science proficiency test .. i cant get in ... BS
I have a feeling you would feel differently if the situations were reversed.
The objection would be:
-Kid A makes one bad decision and acts out, but even after apologizing and showing his remorse he can't get into college.
-Kid B shows that he's a slacker by not putting the effort in to pass one stupid test, and he's getting in no sweat!
What gives!
In all honesty .. No ... a kid who has several chances to behave and still ends up in trouble to the point he is being kicked out of a school .. i dont feel bad for
A kid who gets good grades and has trouble with testing (as i myself did) i do feel bad for.
I hope Jamel turns it around but i feel like behavior issues are not as important as they should be when being accepted into college to play football.
I see your point, I really do, but "trouble with testing" != "not getting into a college on an athletic scholarship because of test scores" by a long shot. It's not like they're asking kids to pass the bar.
I don't buy the "Well, he's just a poor test taker" bullshit, either. Supposedly, Turner has good grades and an acceptable ACT score. Obviously, test taking isn't too much of a problem for him. The fact that he is rumored to have a problem passing only one portion of this standardized test (Science?) leads me to believe that he has little interest in that subject and probably didn't give a fuck about it until it was (almost) too late.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:31 AM ^
That's a whole lotta judgement on a whole lotta unsubstantiated innuendo for one post, Jay.
It's all speculation on our part, obviously, but the fact is that no one that has decent grades and can pass all the other required tests should have any trouble with this kind of thing.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:25 AM ^
College acceptance isn't a referendum on someone's moral fiber. It's just not.
The Ohio State Graduation Test is a requirement to graduate High School in the state. If a student can't pass it, they can't graduate. If they can't graduate high school, they're ineligible for college. Simple, right?
Jamel Turner seems as if he may not graduate High School for reasons other than academics or test scores. If he does not graduate, Ohio State will not be able to let him in.
This isn't a matter of favortism or anything else. You can be a horrible person and graduate High School. You can be a wonderful person and fail. The relative quality of character is not relevant.
Finally, as someone who knows neither Justin nor Jamel Turner, and knows virtually nothing of one (Justin) and only internet messageboad gossip of another (Jamel), I hesitate to leap to any conclusions regarding either's character.
What is moral fiber? Hmmm... Fuck it.
It makes you regular.
No. I get what it is. It was a joke. Remember the girl next door? Not the show, the movie.
Mine was a joke also. About Metamucil.
I don't know what this kid may have done to get kicked out, but do you really want college turning kids down for being a-holes? That seems like a slippery slope.
Test scores are at least somewhat indicative of mental capacity, and while it's possible to be smart and fail or vice versa, if your test scores are so bad you can't get into college, chances are you won't handle college classes much better. There's no reason a kid without a disability shouldn't be able to get a sufficient score on the required tests to get into college.
to be honest with you, you would probably feel pretty bad about even making this topic if what I have been told is even a half truth as to some of his problems.
I know all about the drug addict parents if thats what your talking about .. thats not an excuse ... i feel bad he had to grow up in that environment but ALOT of kids deal with tough childhoods and dont get kicked out of school.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:56 AM ^
i'd say it is a pretty good excuse, especially when there's more to it than that.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:28 AM ^
I know all about the drug addict parents if thats what your talking about .. thats not an excuse
OK, so horrible family situation = Not an excuse.
"He's just a poor test-taker = Valid excuse.
Is that about right?
Jamel Turner's issues aren't grades (although I doubt he's a straight A student). His issues are much more serious than that.
Why are we discussing Justin Turner's test-taking abilities again? The current thing holding him up is a paperwork issue.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:25 AM ^
Um - how do we know that again? Turner himself hasn't claimed to have officially passed the test.
Now that this happened can we no longer tell that joke that osu is the best high school in ohio?
The chick in your avatar needs to be smothered in napalm.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:29 PM ^
I just want to know how Jamal Berry has a felony dismissed. Felonies do not just disappear, at least just plea to a misdemeanor, but having a felony disappear is ludicrous.
August 7th, 2009 at 10:45 PM ^
He isn't named Tre$$el for a reason.
I'm going to guess that neither of you are lawyers or have much experience in the criminal justice system.
Where is PromoteRichRod when you need him?
LAW SCHOOL.
AT MICHIGAN.
UNIVERSITY OF,.
Come on, PRR. We know you're reading. This post is tailor-made for you.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:03 PM ^
Good, as a fellow alumnus you can explain to the other posters about Florida's possession law and general treatment of first time possession offenders.
I assume you realize that I was talking only to the two previous posters.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:20 PM ^
I assume you realize that he was making fun of Promote Rich Rod not you.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:29 PM ^
wut
I was replying to Mongoose, not you - and the LAW SCHOOL thing is a running joke, chill.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:48 PM ^
LAWLyer$, amirite!
August 11th, 2009 at 10:14 AM ^
Then I'm the idiot here. Not uncommon.