Jalen Rose: "[UM does not] have a family-type atmosphere"

Submitted by MGoBender on January 24th, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Submitted without commentary, Jalen Rose knocked UM for their treatment of former players:

“Every Michigan coach has left unceremoniously, even the greatest coach in the University of Michigan history, the only coach that’s taken the school to three Final Fours and well as won a national championship, Steve Fisher, and also the Fab Five – Jalen Rose, Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, Ray Jackson, Jimmy King – who played in two Final Fours and national championship games, two of the seven that the university has had since the 1900s,” Rose continued, his voice rising.

“So when you’re not able to have a family-type atmosphere where everybody feels welcome and feels like their contribution to the school is noted from a basketball and or football perspective, the relationships become fractured, and that’s something Michigan has to improve on. Michigan State, when you watch their games, it could be a guy that averaged two points, but the fans are going to celebrate him and treat him like he’s family. That’s why Michigan has lagged behind Michigan State in basketball, and frankly, right now, that’s why Michigan State has evened the playing field.”

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/01/24/jalen-rose-predicts-msu-victory-…

Comments

Section 1

January 25th, 2014 at 9:18 AM ^

Says a lot.

It's a very good blog, with some great front-page content, a terrific owner-operator, and many excellent qualities.

And a really big message board, with a huge and non-discerning membership, which like most large crowds, contains a few really smart people, and a whole lot of mass hysteria and occasional psychosis.

Just look at this thread.  I used one word in relation to Beilein -- "lukewarm" -- and see what it has led to here.  Not one other word of criticism aimed by me at Beilein, and lots of other praise.  And still the sort of freakout that we see in many (again, not all) of the comments and the up/down votes.

Paps

January 24th, 2014 at 5:41 PM ^

The coaches... At what point do we say John Beilein is the best coach in Michigan history? Would it be after a NC win?

As for Jalen's comments, I just hope they don't hurt recruiting moving forward. I'm pretty sure we honored him a couple years ago, right? I don't like how he pushed his way into the locker rooms to be with the players after the NC game... Didn't like that at all. Little hypocrisy by Jalen, and he should be humble and let M honor him on their own terms. If I'm the Athletic Dept now I'm LESS enthusiastic about honoring him because it makes it just look like Michigan is doing whatever Jalen Rose says...

Section 1

January 24th, 2014 at 5:50 PM ^

I'll sit down with Jalen anytime and argue that Dave Strack was Michigan's best basketball coach.  The Cazzie Russell back-to-back NCAA teams.  Building the core of the program that led to the Johnny Orr (Strack's groomed assistant) era, when Orr was Michigan's winningest coach.

MGlobules

January 24th, 2014 at 5:55 PM ^

perspective, but Beilein has already dwarfed all of those guys with his career. Open your eyes--amazing things are happening at Crisler. And it's the prettiest brand of bball in the country.

Section 1

January 25th, 2014 at 10:50 AM ^

 
  Overall Conference  
Coach  Years  Record Pct. Record Pct.

                   Note                              

Dave Strack 1960–68 113–89 .559 58–54 .518 3 Big Ten Conference Championships (1964, 1965, 1966), 2 NCAA Regional Championships (1964, 1965)
Johnny Orr 1968–80 209–113 .649 120–72 .625 2 Big Ten Conference Championships (1974, 1977), 1976 NCAA Regional Championship
Bill Frieder 1980–89 191–87 .687 98–64 .605 1984 National Invitation Tournament Championship, 2 Big Ten Conference Championships (1985, 1986)
Steve Fisher 1989–97 184*–82*
108–79
.692*
.578
88*–56*
54–56
.611*
.491
1989 NCAA Tournament Championship, 3 NCAA Regional Championships (1989, 1992*, 1993*), 1997 National Invitation Tournament Championship
Brian Ellerbe 1997–2001 62*–60*
25–59
.508*
.298
26*–38*
10–38
.406*
.208
1998 Big Ten Tournament Championship
Tommy Amaker 2001–07 109–83 .568 43–53 .448 2004 National Invitation Tournament Championship
John Beilein 2007–Present 136–89 .604 61–53 .535 2012 Big Ten Conference Championship, 2013 NCAA Regional Championship

 

Alton

January 24th, 2014 at 6:35 PM ^

Also, give Dave Strack the credit for Michigan's best recruiting class ever:  the class of 1966--Cazzie Russell, John Clawson, Oliver Darden, Jim Myers, John Thompson. 

turd ferguson

January 24th, 2014 at 5:56 PM ^

Whoever the best coach in Michigan history is, it sure as hell isn't Steve Fisher. Sorry, Jalen, but the bad counts along with the good. Same goes for you and everyone else who contributed to the decimation of the Michigan basketball program.

Mr Miggle

January 24th, 2014 at 6:37 PM ^

He knows plenty about coaching basketball, he might well be the best coach ever at SDSU, but he should go down as the worst coach ever at Michigan. Imo, he's the person most culpable for the Ed Martin scandal, certainly much more so than Chris Webber. On top of that, he's the guy who brought Ellerbe to AA.

steve sharik

January 24th, 2014 at 10:10 PM ^

...to label Fisher as "the person most culpable for the Ed Martin scandal" since Ed was around since the Frieder days and there was a lot of raised eyebrows about Michigan recruiting during the '80s.  Ask Georgetown fans from that era about Rumeal Robinson, who went to the same HS as Patrick Ewing and was a Hoya lock until the last minute.  Sean Higgins's journey to Michigan wasn't exactly a beacon of virtue, either.

Mr Miggle

January 25th, 2014 at 7:29 AM ^

That's the entire period Ed Martin was supposedly around the program. I've never heard anyone say who first got Martin involved. Fisher may not have been the only coach involved, but I don't have reason to accuse Frieder or anyone else. Fisher did more than look the other way, too. I can't forget that he forged Perry Watson's initials in requesting passes for Ed Martin.  

Yeoman

January 25th, 2014 at 1:36 PM ^

Frieder was in charge. Isn't that enough?

I don't see why it's necessary to choose just one guy for all the blame here. I don't doubt that Fisher had primary responsbility for Martin but I don't see why that exonerates Frieder. There was a lot wrong with the Michigan program well before it metastasized in the Taylor/Traylor years.

Owl

January 24th, 2014 at 5:43 PM ^

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. 

My favorite topic on this board. Gift that keeps on giving. 

I feel like, if my account ever gets banned, it will be in a fab five thread. 

Erik_in_Dayton

January 24th, 2014 at 5:50 PM ^

Now I tend to end up cringing when they're in the news.  Everything with Rose and Webber seems to be about Rose and Webber.  To imply that MSU is doing well in football* because Fisher and Webber (?) aren't around the program is absurd.

Let it go, Jalen.  Summer is over.  The harvest has passed. 

*That's what he means by evening the playing field, right?

Phil Brickma

January 24th, 2014 at 5:48 PM ^

I read a similar article on MLive. Basically, he wants to see some Fab Five memorabilia and recognition in Crisler.

Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I understand why the university has been hesitant on how to deal with a black eye, but it would be smart to celebrate what they did, both good and bad, for the program and college basketball.

MGlobules

January 24th, 2014 at 5:49 PM ^

part of the subtext here is that there was an opening last year and the admin didn't grab it--in fact, it went conspicuously unaddressed. So once again the team is on the rise and Jalen's feeling left out, and lashes out. . . 

Really hate his timing here, and am bothered that this gets pointed at Beilein. But not terribly surprised. These guys have nudged Webber, and they have nudged Brandon, and they are still out in the cold; I think that that would hurt. 

MGlobules

January 24th, 2014 at 9:34 PM ^

to buy tickets and attend games and an official embrace for the Fab Five. His comments are not about himself alone. He goes out of his way to note that every last former MSU team member is always invited to MSU events. 

Again, I'm unhappy about his remarks. But I think I see what place they're coming from. 

MGoBender

January 24th, 2014 at 5:49 PM ^

Paps mentioned it, but a reason I thought this was thread worthy is the idea that the Fab Five era is beyond over.

Jalen mentioned the "best coach ever" and at this point, maybe that's true.  But, not for long, I believe.

It's the John Beilein era.  The Fab Five is over, it's done and everyone has moved on other than, well, the Fab Five. 

Tomorrow night Michigan could make that statement with authority.  A win on the road, against MSU to go 7-0 in conference when most were hoping we'd have only 2 losses at this point would be huge.

Of course, legacies are made in the tournament, but in my eyes, the greatest Michigan coach is going to be on the court of Breslin tomorrow night and he'll have a chance to add another bullet point to that claim.

GoBluePhil

January 24th, 2014 at 5:52 PM ^

And his donations to create the The Rose Garden are wonderful. But all this talk about honoring the Fab 5 over and over is disgusting to say the least. Webber owes the University of Michigan an apology. Until UM gets that there should be no honoring the Fab 5. But what really irks me is the lack of acknowledgement of the other players on both of those teams by Rose. The Fab 5 did not do everything for those teams. They didn't score all the points, get all the rebounds or block all the shots. Rose acts like the other members of the team were nonexistent or just carried the bags for the Fab 5. If Rose would ask for those Teams to be honored with or without Webber then it might happen. Honoring just five guys from a team is a slap in the face to all the other team members.