Jabrill Tested Positive for Dilute Sample
Even if it's not a big deal (it's not), it's illegal and against the league's policy. The bigger thing from the team's perspective is how smart/dedicated is the kid if he is failing a drug test on the biggest day of his professional life.
pot stays in your system for months even though the effects wear off in hours. It's really not about being 'smart' so much as persecuted IF that's the case
It latches on to your fat cells, so athletes usually rid it from their systems much quicker than your average toker. But if you are smoking every day, it will be much harder to rid quickly.
April 24th, 2017 at 10:52 PM ^
months after I took one hit (that I freely admit I inhaled) by a urine sample. That was after trying to drink as much water as I could stand that morning before the test. So they don't need no stinking..... badges?...... er hair tests to find out if your getting high.
An athlete with next to zero fat on his body may not have to wait months to piss clean. I am over weight and I am sure that is the reason I could not piss clean.
"Months" is not accurate for an athlete with little body fat who doesn't smoke more than occasionally. He could metabolize weed it in a few days if he's not lighting up daily.
It may not be a big deal to smoke pot, but it is a big deal when you know you are going to get tested, you know the NFL frowns on it, and then something pops up. That's stupid IF this shows presence of pot, if it's just water then NM.
assuming that everybody else on the Board is correct, players know 1) they are going to get tested at the combine and 2) a diluted test is treated as a positive test. So, if they intentionally dilute their test so as to mask the presence of a banned substance then they are going to have a positive test anyway because they two are treated as the same.
So, question - What motivation would anybody ever have to dilute a test?
Peppers seems like a fairly smart guy. If you are going to be treated as though you tested positive regardless of whether you test positive or test diluted, why would anybody intentionally give a dilute sample? Doesn't add up. The smarter course of conduct would be to just take the test, hope you pass, and have a great "What had happened......." story for teams if you don't.
Could be attempt to hydrate just enough to dilute the result and pass but not enough to trigger a postive test result because of dilution.
I would think the upside to diluting a test is an agency can come out on your behalf and say that you were sick and simply trying to stay hydrated. NFL may treat the two results the same but individual teams may be more lenient toward a diluted test over a positive.
April 24th, 2017 at 10:44 PM ^
is the same, it would seem to me to be FAR less damaging from a reputation standpoint to have a diluted test than a conclusive test. He can still claim innocence this way, and there is enough of a shred of doubt that an overhydration story is plausible. At this point, before you're drafted and signed, reputation and perception are very valuable.
And while I'm a huge proponent of de-criminalizing marijuana use, I also understand that an employer of people who need to be in tip top shape would prefer their employees to not inhale damaging smoke into their lungs and to be able to follow rules - whether those rules make sense or not.
If he really was over-hydrated, I'll give him a pass, but it's not very common for that to happen. If this were a player on any other team I would suspect something that violates the NFL substance policy, and consider anyone who actually failed a test to be foolish.
It's not that there isn't doping in the NFL, it's that most of the guys know how not to test positive. I suspect doping is extremely widespread. You don't get caught for doping, you get caught if you make a mistake.
True in cycling, basketball, hockey, soccer, what have you.
April 25th, 2017 at 12:15 AM ^
whenever pot use comes up on this site the pot heads come out of the woodwork clamouring for it to be made legal. Listen, peoples opinion on the matter doesn't mean a thing (personally I couldn't care less whether people want to smoke the stuff) and the drugs effects or proximity to legalization aren't the point. The point is presently it is illegal and also against league policy. So the question isn't whether pot smokers on MGOBLOG agree with pot being illegal, its whether a guy who hopes to be drafted has the good sense to obey the law as it currently stands as well as the leagues policy or whether he doesn't.
This clearly speaks to character whether we want to admit it or not. I love Jabrill as much as anyone on here and to be perfectly clear, this is all conjecture at this point since this could mean pot or any other drug, or it could also mean nothing at all. The overarching point is pot is currently illegal and in my opinion it is perfectly justifiable for a team to base assumptions on a pick on whether they obey current laws and follow current organizational policies. Would you want to use a 1st round pick on a guy who could potentially have an issue with pot and thus be suspended numerous times throughout his career? Look at Ricky Williams.
I will also say that if JP is on any drug I would be shocked. He doesn't seem like the type in my books.
Thanks for the lecture on pot. Smoke em if you got em.
he wrote that entire sermon just so he could call people "pot heads" and think about how awesome it was.
when you're one of the ones who comes on every thread that is even remotely related to pot and cries that it should be legal. All of you guys continue to miss the obvious point: It's not. Employers don't give 2 shits about your take on marijuana and its health effects or whether you believe it should be legal. They look at whether a potential employee has the good sense to obey the laws that are currently out there.
I've said every time I write about this I don't have any issue with people smoking pot and have a brother in law and sister who smoke very large amounts on a daily basis. I don't think any less of them for it. If you want pot legalized take to the streets, start a petition, do something other than moan that its illegal. If you want to smoke it be my guest, but don't cry because there are reprecussions for doing something you know full well is illegal.
Sorry, but I just get sick of hearing people moan about this subject every time it comes up.
I'd be high now if I could. Fucking love weed.
speak shit for Jabrill. He could have pissed "diluted" sample by drinking water.
smoke a joint dude
...who read the Freep article on Charles Rogers last week, I wish we would've paid more attention to those habits and passed on him. I mean, we took him instead of Andre Johnson.
didn't have enough pee in it
but your pee is just a little too wet...
is actually an amazing read. Nothing is going well for them, and yet they try so hard to hang onto something, anything. There is some amazing humor woven into their desperation, quite entertaining actually.
get drafted at 1st round is pretty much gone. If you test positive at combine even with a diluted sample, they consider it a bad thing and testing positive at the combine has to be the dumbest thing a prospect can do. They know they're going to get tested
Not necessarily a bad thing (although less $$$).
Unfortunately the Patriots don't pick until the 3rd round this year after the trades.
If JP falls and the Pats like him, they will trade to get him. The key is the value. The Pats identify a handful of guys every year that they want and go get them if they can.
Source: Pats fan.
don't have a 2nd round pick (or 1st rounder either) this year
If they get the #32 or #42 from the Saints as rumored (in exchange for Butler), Peppers could be a Patriot.
April 25th, 2017 at 12:00 PM ^
but that would be great. You are going to trade away a good outside CB to go up in the draft to take a guy who couldn't for the life of him, replace what Butler does.
Pepper's cover skills are shall we say, not good at all. And at best he translates to a Strong Safety where he can help with the run, because he is good at that.
I suspect he could end up being dynamic at KR and PR but you don't trade away Butler for that.
As a Bills fan, I would welcome this stupidity, which is why it won't happen. Belichick is mad genius and I hate him but he's not doing this.
Please note I am not saying he couldn't find a way to smartly and effectively use Peppers I just don't buy in a million years that it would be for the purpose stated above.
April 25th, 2017 at 12:17 PM ^
Glad to be the first...
April 25th, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^
My wallet was getting heavy with internet points anyway.
and Laremy Tunsil fell, NOT because of the video leak but he has off-field concerns beside it.
they were enamored with Jack Conklin. They wanted a guy who can play RT for them. Tennessee traded up ahead of the Giants to get Conklin.
no matter what the other 31 teams say about him
which would imply that Jabrill should fall even less...
thank you for posting this... i was literally laughing out loud when the dude above said goodbye to the first round jabrill...
while Tunsil was considered to be the best player in the draft. Big difference
I don't see it playing much of a factor. General Managers will not let a diluted sample play a factor in determining their job status by having them take an inferior player. If teams considered him a better football player than another guy before this, they still do now.