If Wisconsin loses to MSU, are we a #1 seed no matter what?

Submitted by BloomingtonBlue on March 15th, 2014 at 4:06 PM

It seems to be common knowledge that the brackets are completed and submitted before the Big Ten Tournament Championship game is over. If Wisconsin loses to MSU, I think we're a #1 seed no matter the result. Either way let's win the whole damn thing. Go Blue!

Comments

Leaders And Best

March 15th, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^

I think Duke or Virginia could slip in there with the ACC Championship.

I actually think we are better off rooting for Wisconsin because their stat profile is better than MSU and will pay off more.

MichiganExile

March 15th, 2014 at 4:14 PM ^

Duke or Virginia have a strong shot at the 1 even if we win. That last one seed is really up for grabs between M, UVA, Duke, and Wisconsin. If Duke and Wisonsin end up in their respective conference finals the selection between the Big and ACC tourney champ will come down to splitting hairs.

enlightenedbum

March 15th, 2014 at 4:10 PM ^

UVA is the last other contender playing, I think.  A lot of people have Duke pretty low on the seed lines.  Ideally NC State wins the ACC though.

If Wisconsin wins today, I would imagine the winner tomorrow is the #1 in the East and the loser is the Midwest #2.  That's easy enough to flip last minute, you just keep Big Ten teams out of the 8/9 and 7/10 games in those regions, respectively.

mGrowOld

March 15th, 2014 at 4:10 PM ^

Um....no.

Actually we need to BEAT Wisconsin to have a shot at the #1 seed.  I still think it's a very longshot no matter what but to have a chance we need to beat the hightest ranked teams we can.  

Snow Sucks

March 15th, 2014 at 4:11 PM ^

I think it's a win-win for Michigan. An earlier than Michigan exit to the tournament puts Wisconsin behind us. A victory over Wisconsin tomorrow puts us ahead of them since they are a bubble one-seed just like Michigan is. So, I think I will just want to sit, relax, and hope for a good game with MSU and Wisconsin since, to me, either outcome is good for Michigan.

Steve in PA

March 15th, 2014 at 7:04 PM ^

Teams that give up nearly 100pts in a loss should never be in the running for #1 seeds.  Double that for teams that gave up nearly 100pts twice in losses.

Virginia will not get a #1 seed

The last #1 will be the perpetually overseeded Duke.  Duke will exit in a Sweet 16 game.

 

PizzaHaus

March 15th, 2014 at 4:13 PM ^

I think most of you missed the premise of this post. The results of the Big Ten Championship game don't affect the bracket, because the picks are finalized before it ends. So "we need to win tomorrow" is not a valid response. 

1329 S. University

March 15th, 2014 at 4:23 PM ^

Members on and be said this year that they are taking the results into consideration this year more than previous years because of how close teams are.

He did not specifically call out the championship game however.

BlueCube

March 15th, 2014 at 4:28 PM ^

They can reach agreement based on the outcome of the game. They will have two Wisconsin/Michigan spots depending on the winner.

Bracket Matrix now has Wisconsin as a #1 seed. Villanova and Kansas are still ahead of Michigan but Michigan is at 2.06 while Kansas is 2.04. Obviously a Michigan Victory should help against both Villanova and Kansas.

JohnnyBlue

March 15th, 2014 at 4:16 PM ^

From what I understand the bracket is basically complete tonight from what I remeber from past years. so the actual game tommrow dowsnt mean much as far as the ncaa tournament goes. So we want wincy to lose tonight

michiganman01

March 15th, 2014 at 4:22 PM ^

but they do they make more then 1 bracket based on the scenario's. So if Wisconsin wins today, then they will have atleast 2 brackets with UM has a 1 and Wisconsin as the 2, or the other way around. So while all the at-large teams are in today (unless someone steals a bid tommorow) there are still more then 1 bracket tonight.

PizzaHaus

March 15th, 2014 at 4:18 PM ^

Just to reiterate: we ABSOLUTELY want MSU to win.

Tomorrow's result isn't considered by the committee, so if Wisconsin wins, they'll almost certainly stay ahead of us regardless of what happens tomorrow. 

Undefined

March 15th, 2014 at 4:28 PM ^

You're wrong and that's alright, I'll even treat you with minimum snark about it. A favor it doesn't seem likely I'll have returned to me. Here's some reading for you:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andy_glockner/02/24/Brack…

 

This passage may be of particular interest:

"Advancements in the technology the committee uses makes planning for contingencies much easier than it used to be. If the ACC (possibly Duke and/or North Carolina pushing for a 1-seed) or (especially) the later Big Ten final (where Michigan State and/or Ohio State could also be seeking a 1-seed) have a matchup in place by Saturday night that could impact the overall seeds, the committee would have multiple contingency brackets in place, and then use the one that's applicable based on Sunday's results."

teldar

March 15th, 2014 at 7:24 PM ^

the only thing in your post that actually suports him is that it specifically lists MSU and OSU. My take on that is that If Michigan or Wisconsin were in the BTT title game a #1 seed is very likely. 

Now. I can't say that this was an intended inferential statement, but I could definitely see people reading that in it.

 

BlueCube

March 15th, 2014 at 10:42 PM ^

This was in effect last year also.

 

 

Will the Sunday conference tournament finals matter? There's a general perception that the major-conference tournament finals that land on Selection Sunday are discounted (or ignored completely). A recent example comes from last year, when Kentucky beat Florida in the SEC title game but stayed a 4-seed in my bracket (and the committee's, as well) while Florida remained a 2 in both. A plausible explanation is that Kentucky was moved up in the S-curve and Florida was moved down based on that result, but neither moved enough to change their nominal seed. Whether you agree with that seed determination based on an analysis of the teams' entire 30-plus game track records is different from the result being ignored. Advancements in the technology the committee uses makes planning for contingencies much easier than it used to be. If the ACC (possibly Duke and/or North Carolina pushing for a 1-seed) or (especially) the later Big Ten final (where Michigan State and/or Ohio State could also be seeking a 1-seed) have a matchup in place by Saturday night that could impact the overall seeds, the committee would have multiple contingency brackets in place, and then use the one that's applicable based on Sunday's results. Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andy_glockner/02/24/Brack…

MichiganG

March 15th, 2014 at 6:17 PM ^

Considering that someone has produced a much more recent quote that says the opposite; and that the quote specifically talks about the technological advances NOW available to the committee, I'm inclined to believe that they can also plan for this exact scenario. After all your snarky responses, I found it disappointing that your proof source is this old quote.

kalamazoo

March 15th, 2014 at 5:04 PM ^

U-GH-L-Y you ain't got no alibi you UGH-LY, yeah you ugh-ly.

M-AH-M-A, how do you think you got that way, yo MAH-MA, yeah, yo mahma.

Ugh.

Can't wait to hear brackets tomorrow. For now, I'm in one of those places where I'm going to the beach. Have fun everyone.

B-Nut-GoBlue

March 15th, 2014 at 4:29 PM ^

Pizzahaus and the OP, Where are you getting your information?  And why do you think this is common knowledge?  You really think Sunday's games have no meaning?  Some years the Sunday games may not be as important and the brackets are more or less set in place but this year there is quite a bit riding on tomorrow's games.

BloomingtonBlue

March 15th, 2014 at 4:41 PM ^

No one ever said Sunday's games have no meaning. We said there is only one game that has little to no meaning because it is played so late. Half of you completely changed the argument to if Wisconsin wins today. Clearly, if Wisconsin wins then they will hold out to see the winner between Michigan and Wisconin. But, if they lose they will absolutely have Wisconsin slotted and most likely know where Michigan will be as well.