If not Harbaugh who is Plan B?

Submitted by mGrowOld on

Not five seconds after the game ended my 63 year old brother was on the phone demanding that Rich be fired and Harbaugh be made the Head Coach.  He said he was "embarrassed" yet again and as a Michigan alumni he didn't much like being embarrassed.  He proceeded to list every play that went wrong and decided that they were all a function of poor coaching.  When I tried to reason with him on the age of the team we were fielding he gave me the "but we're Michigan" rationale that age was no excuse.  I listen to him for a while and then asked him "who do you want as coach if Harbaugh says no thanks".  He had no answer.

 I want to be VERY clear that I am still firmly in the keep RichRod camp.  If I was Brandon I would tell Rich that Gerg and all the D assistants have to go and that we're going to throw as much money as we can at the best DC we can find and let him pick his team. 

Now that I established where I fall on the coaching issue I have an open question to the anti-Rich faction of the board (and my brother).  If Harbaugh says no - who's your plan B?  Les Miles?  Cam Cameron? Chris Peterson?  Gary Patterson?  Who?  I think we need to look no further than South Bend to see what happens when you start making coaching changes without a solid replacement lined up. 

 There seems to be this presumption that Harbaugh would leap at the chance to come back home but what if he says no.  Then what?

kevin holt

November 27th, 2010 at 8:13 PM ^

If we got a new HC, we obviously would have some rebuilding to do. But if it were Harbaugh, wouldn't we be changing back to "Michigan football" that everyone seems to be clamoring for?

And if so, I have a tougher question. Does it take more time to rebuild a program with a new system AND head coach, like we would have with Harbaugh, or is it the same amount of time rebuilding as just a new HC in the same system?

I don't want to rebuild for another 3 years, and have this same damn discussion in 2013.

08mms

November 27th, 2010 at 8:39 PM ^

I mean, Harbaugh is a sharp guy and going from the spread back to pro is a little bit less difficult than the other way (RRod had to recruit slot receivers and condition his o-line to be more nimble and athletic, reinstalling a variation of a pro-set could for the most part use the existing pieces with modified schemes).  I wouldn't seem right somehow if we keep our scheme to try and replace the god of the spread and shred with one of the guys he taught it too.  I don't know what its like inside the program, but unless DB sees something else that indicates this team won't improve with another year of growth, I'd really still prefer to keep RRod.  I guess the one upside of Harbaugh is that he would immediately electrify a lot of our alumni base (AA native, Michigan golden boy coming home after BCS success at an absurd academic school) and to use DB's words, this would like provide a "new source of revenue."

kman23

December 2nd, 2010 at 7:26 PM ^

What about hiring Shuler and keeping Calvin McGee at OC? Then we can go for the trifecta and bring in Randy Shannon as DC. Damn, that'd be ridiculous. I know McGee is a Rich Rod guy but might he stay behind? Why not?

 

Dan Mullen has to be interviewed if we fire Rich Rod. Even if we do end up hiring JH need to at least look at Mullen first.

Not interested in having an OC takeover as HC, especially one that has Cam Newton at QB and has no problem with it.

If I was looking at NFL guys (which I don't favor just an if) I think we'd have to look at Leslie Frazier and Ron Rivera. 

One more DC name to throw out would be Rob Ryan.

M-Wolverine

November 27th, 2010 at 7:19 PM ^

The return question is, if Rich stays and stinks it up next year, and Harbaugh (ugh) is coaching the 49ers, what's our back-up plan then?
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umchicago

November 27th, 2010 at 8:56 PM ^

it's a response to the "we have to get harbargh now, because he's the only answer and may be gone next year" crowd.

imo, RR is the answer for next year because of the reasons stated ad nauseum.  we return everybody!!!  the team will be better next year.  freshmen become better sophs.  sophs become better juniors, and they are the core of the team right now.  it's only natural to believe that this team will win at least 2 more games next year.

if not, than RR has had his 4 years, which i think any coach deserves.

ie. i was not a amaker supporter at all.  i thought we deserved a more experienced and established coach.  (i advocated stallings even before the ellerbe hire, but oh well).  but i said he deserves 4 years to get his players into his system.  7 years was too much though.

ChalmersE

November 27th, 2010 at 8:28 PM ^

if I'm Brandon, I see quietly whether Harbaugh will take the job.  If not, I announce not only that Rodriguez is back, but is getting an extension.  The last thing this program needs is a repetition of December 2007 -- or anothe season of what does Rodriguez need to do to keep the job.

BTW, with all the atmospherics around the program, it wouldn't shock me if Rodriguez is the one to pull the plug and resign.

Wolv1984

November 27th, 2010 at 8:43 PM ^

I can't see too far into the future, but Brady Hoke at that point.   He's likely going to picked up a BCS school this year (Minn or Colorado are tossed around a lot).  So in a year he might have a resume of:

8 Years on Carr's Defensive Staff

Good run in the MAC, Good run with SDSU

One year a BCS School (or two if we give RR 5 years)

Assuming he does well with a smaller BCS Program I'd be all about Hoke.  

Or Les Miles.  I know he's not popular, but the man is 57.  So if we fire RR, we grab Miles.  Miles stays 4-6 years, ideally wins a Rose Bowl and retires.  By then Hoke would have even more of a resume to consider and we could make a call if we want to go after him.  I don't see Les Miles as a long term fix, I feel more like Miles would love to come here as kind of a capstone on his career and it would give us time for Hoke or another target to compile a larger resume.  

Hoke was associate head coach in 2002 when he left.  I like to imagine a world where in 2002 we pay him a lot more than Ball State offers. In '06, Hoke is promoted to DC instead of English and then when Carr retires instant continuity.  So my love of Hoke might be unrealistic in some ways.  

Wolv1984

November 27th, 2010 at 9:10 PM ^

Yeah I only see Hoke ending up here if we hire Miles or our next HC is a bust.  In say 6 years Hoke will either be at a major school or a bust basically.  If he keeps winning a Michigan, Florida or someone will go for him.  So the only way we're on the market in 5-6 years is due to Les retiring or a HC firing.  

If RR stinkns the joint up next year he's gone and Hoke's resume would still be kind of weak likely.

mgoblue15

November 27th, 2010 at 9:05 PM ^

I dont like Peterson because of the way the players handle themselves on the field.  Little things like not handing the ball to the official and his players constantly talking trash are two things that Michigan does that I think makes it a better program.  

 

I know they do not correlate to wins and loses but still important.

6tyrone6

November 27th, 2010 at 7:22 PM ^

Plan A being bring in an innovative coach to bring in a dynamic spread offense and give him time to fill the team with his players. Support him and keep the Freep off campus.

da shiz

November 27th, 2010 at 7:22 PM ^

I know there are a lot of Les Miles haters on this board but I'm that desperate. Despite all the stupid things he has done, he still WINS games. He can cheat as long as he doesn't get caught just like everyone else. If they can't get Harbaugh or Les, then stick with Rich and see how things turn out.