How many years do you think Beilein coaches UM?
and do you think he leaves on his owns terms or fired?
I gotta feeling he doesn't have too many years left at Michigan. I think most would agree that it will be a tougher road to the NCAA tourney next year than this year, but the 2 years after could be tough as well. Do you think he will make the tourney within the next 3 years. If he doesn't, does Brandon let him go?
We have a coach named Beiline?
March 29th, 2010 at 10:01 AM ^
fixed
Watching Baylor last night, I can only imagine what this team would have done if Udoh had stayed. He will get it right when he gets a couple bigs that can play rather than just having sims.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:08 AM ^
how successful he might become. But he'll be here as long as he wants. Why? Because he will be successful enough (NCAA Tournament most years) and he is a first class man who treats his players well, values education and will never embarrass the University.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:17 AM ^
Udoh never really committed to stay at Michigan. He nearly transferred once JB was hired and JB convinced him to stay. Nothing that JB can do because there's nothing that could change his mind. Plus, I have heard rumor that he was a big distraction in JB's 1st year at Michigan.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:41 AM ^
So he gave Beilein a chance.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:52 AM ^
Is superherorific.
Who is Beiline?
March 29th, 2010 at 10:06 AM ^
Someone beat you to it.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:56 AM ^
I can't speak for the others, but I'm negging you for misspelling his name to start with... That looks really bad on a fan of rabid Michigan fans, and could have been avoided with three seconds on Google.
March 29th, 2010 at 12:25 PM ^
It really looks bad on a board full of rabid Michigan grammar nazis, and could have been avoided with three seconds in English class.
Peace!
My grammar was fine, I just typed "fan" instead of "board" out of sleepiness. :P I didn't sleep after last night's hockey game...
March 29th, 2010 at 10:15 AM ^
this question will look rather silly in an hour or so after a certain press conference takes place.
WindyCityBlue:
Do you know why coaches receive contract extensions? Normally, they aren't given because an AD wants to fire the coach.
Beilein's got the team building a base and improving for the future. I'm not sure why this is "unacceptable."
March 29th, 2010 at 10:07 AM ^
...but wasn't the extension done under Martin's watch. Brandon may have a different barometer of success.
And, quite honestly, I haven't seen too much, if any, improvement. I understand that he has to get his players, so I guess we will wait and see. But, if he does not make it into the tourney over the next 3 years, would that be unacceptable? I think it would.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:15 AM ^
If they don't make the tournament in three years, it is probably unacceptable. However, by asking the question, you are presupposing that he isn't going to succeed. This is a shitty way to view a coach who brought the team to its first NCAA Tourney in ten years.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:16 AM ^
the extension, either right before the season started, or after the first few games. I'm not sure Brandon was appointed the new AD yet, so he likely had no say in the matter.
I also haven't seen any improvement, but think we'll see some next year, and tourney invites after that. He's recruiting at least to the level he did at WVU and is a proven coach, so eventually he'll show it.
If, he doesn't make the tourney for 3 more years (so 4 in a row, and 1 appearance in 6 seasons), I think he will be and deserves to be gone (but I personally don't see this happening).
March 29th, 2010 at 11:03 AM ^
Beilein signed his extension around Jan. 11.
http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-basketball/michigan-coach-john-beilei…
David Brandon was named AD around Jan. 5 and was the the long held front runner prior to that.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4797284
I find it very hard to believe that he was not consulted on the extension to Beilein.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:18 AM ^
Let me think about it:
How do you think the team would have been this year had they had Morgan, Cronin, Udoh and Robin Benzing?
Beilein is doing just fine. His incoming recruits will help the team greatly and maybe the team won't have a 6'4" power forward next year.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:27 AM ^
I don't understand why this was negged. We've had incredibly bad luck regarding our post players under Beilein. How can anyone disagree? Udoh leaving was one thing; he was an Amaker recruit. But to lose another player to eligibility and then two guys to injury borders on the absurd.
Benzing would have been a perfect 4 in this system. That was a big loss. Cronin/Morgan could have allowed Sims to slide over to the 4, which would have worked out well, too. Maybe it shouldn't be that surprising that we didn't have a good year when we had a bunch of guys playing out of position. The bigger surprise might be that we overcame it to make the tournament last year.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:31 AM ^
At some point you have to stop making excuses for the players you don't have and start looking at what Beilein has done with the guys he DOES have. There was a definite risk in putting a lot of eggs in the Benzing basket. And I don't think Cronin would have been the world-beater he's been made out to be now that his career is over. Udoh, well, he wasn't expected to develop into the player he is now when he transferred.
I don't think it's a stretch to look at the player development between last year and this year and just scratch your head. This team didn't have to be as bad as it was. And a lot of that is coaching.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:37 AM ^
I don't disagree that this year's team was disappointing. Some guys definitely didn't make the strides we were hoping for. But it will be easier on guys like Novak and Douglass when they don't have to play out of position. And Sims, as good as he was, could have been even better playing the 4 against smaller opponents.
I don't think Cronin or Morgan would have been stars by any stretch, but they should have been able to give us some minutes at the 5, freeing up Sims to play the 4 - and eliminating the matchup nightmare that was having a 6'4" player at that position. Looking at the height of the players Beilein brings in, it's clear he doesn't want to have to go through another season like that.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:06 AM ^
As devils advocate I'd like to cite one Mike Leach. But yes you're correct in that talks of beilein being fired are premature.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:06 AM ^
Yes, I believe he makes the tournament in the next three years.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:11 AM ^
that he'll be at Michigan until he retires.
Assuming Manny is gone (we'll know in about an hour), I don't think Michigan makes the tourney next year, but has a solid chance the year after.
After that, I think Beilein stays for 4-5 more years, making the tourney every year, but never advancing past the Sweet 16. He improves the facilities, gets the practice facility, and makes Michigan basketball relevant, but not great.
That would be a total of 6-7 years (so 9-10 years as Beilein being the coach).
I think most fans would be happy with this, as long as the football team dominates again.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:31 AM ^
I was going to say 10 plus years. He is in his mid 50's and I figure he will be here until he chooses to retire at 65 yrs old or so.
Also on the contract extention. It only extended him one year. It was done to increase his pay in order to have Michigan cover his buyout from WVU since they were picking up the majority of RR's buyout.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:34 AM ^
Not all negative, not too overly optimistic. And someone who sees a limited time frame (That doesn't involve ARGH FIRE COACH).
I'm not sure "happy" is the right term, but satisfied, most, yeah, probably.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:20 AM ^
You're forgetting once again that he took us to the Tourney only one short year ago.
This is stupid, as are any threads on coaches potential futures. I know it's the off-season and there is hardly anything to talk about, but please refrain from coach employment talk.
Beilein is a good coach and yes we took a step back this year from last year, but we weren't even supposed to make it to the Tournament last year. We will keep improving and compared to the crater of a team we have had for the last 10 years, this is improvement.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:27 AM ^
he's got a proven track record, but doesn't have the necessary talent to consistently win in the big ten. however, the way he's recruiting he'll get there. next year will likely be very rough, but two years from now going forward he'll have an entire roster of players fitting his system.
remember, next year we'll have zero seniors and only three juniors. the future is still bright.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:28 AM ^
Tournament appearances went from 0 for 9 before JB to 1 for 3 with him.
I think I vote let's keep him.
I would be surprised if we arent in the same position next season as we were last year: right smack in the middle of the bubble with UM's tourney bid going either way. Hopefully a 2010-11 squad with more parts and versatility than this season will be enough to get us over the hump like last year.
And I really think we make a move in the Big 10 come 2011-12
March 29th, 2010 at 10:40 AM ^
I don't understand the Beilein should go school of thought...especially in light of the vicious defense of RichRod (who has yet to sniff .500) on this same board. Beilein is doing a fine job. He's already produced one tourney team...and he had to follow Ellerbe/Amaker. He also doesn't have 3 McDonald's All Americans coming in each year (although he might have a top 10-15 class coming in next year). He's lost a number of big men for different reasons (injury, NCAA regs, transfer).
I think, assuming we lock in Ziegler, we're looking at a powerful coaching/recruiting combo in Beilein and Mike Jackson. The only reason Peedi and Manny stayed was Jackson. Don't forget that we're Michigan...as we build it, they will come.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:30 AM ^
We're finally going to get that practice facility built in the next couple of years.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:42 AM ^
Damn good coach. Leave him alone.
March 29th, 2010 at 10:53 AM ^
Nice
March 29th, 2010 at 11:14 AM ^
another one of those threads which does no one any good. just hope recruits are not reading this.
Its hard to win championships and getting harder by the year --and the Big Ten ain't no cake walk.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:17 AM ^
My hunch with Beilein is that we'll always be one or two guys away from being consistently good. It'll be blamed on the system, there will be talk of another huge recruit that will save everything, but it will always end up the same.
Cynical? Absolutely. I've just come to the conclusion that the Beilein era will be a better version of Tommy Amaker, with a coach who is obviously a good guy who does things the right way, but not in a way that will translate to this program being taken to the next level. Beilein has showed that Michigan basketball can win, can be promoted, and can actually garner fan interest and University investment. I just don't think he can keep the product consistent or successful enough on the court to last more than another couple years.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:37 AM ^
Amaker was not a good coach. He had talented players who regressed while at UofM. Beilein has taken talented players and improved them. Amaker never got to the tourney. Beilein did it in two years.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:43 AM ^
Between this year and last, can you look Novak, Douglass, heck, even Manny and honestly say they improved?
I mean, I'm willing to give Beilein a lot of credit where a lot of credit is due, and there's facets of his job performance where that's definitely merited. But I don't know if player improvement is one of the places I would go out of the way to heap praise.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:48 AM ^
Novak - Yes, a lot, but part of his issue was that he was playing 3/4 instead of 2/3. It was less significant than the issue with...
Douglass - Yes, but part of his issue was that he had to play a new position earlier in the year - he isn't a 1 but was stuck in the role while Morris was learning the ropes. He will improve more next year when he's back in 2/3 where he belongs. He improved more over the last 6-8 games than he did over the rest of the year.
Manny - He actually got worse this year, I think there was a significant rift in opinion between him and Beilein about what his role was... Manny may be the best, but you don't see him being much of a leader on the court, and I think Beilein wanted him to take more of a vocal role.
As DoubleM stated, Novak and Douglas played out of position.
While Manny was off, he improved greatly (on the whole) under Beilein. Peedi showed massive improvement under Beilein.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:41 AM ^
I tend to disagree. With the new basketball training facility that is slated for construction, our recruiting should improve, and Beilein was instrumental in that. He has a general aura of 'I know what I'm doing' about him, and I trust that he will get things done.
Don't let recruiting services fool you into thinking we don't, and won't, have good recruiting classes under him. Beilein is recruiting the guys he wants, and essentially ignoring the ratings of the services, which I think is a good thing. The recruiting services miss guys all the time, and over-hype guys all the time - I don't see them as thoroughly trustable.
Believe in Beilein.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:45 AM ^
I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, but let's also not sit here and pretend that we're going to hit gold with every guy we think the recruiting services missed. There are definitely guys that they miss or underrate, but that doesn't mean that every 2 or 3 star we're raking in is a diamond in the rough. Ignoring the recruiting services isn't an automatic recipe for success, or something to hang our program's hat on.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:57 AM ^
We'll get better, we're not going to suck always. But you don't have sustained greatness with guys the recruiting services missed.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:32 AM ^
These "how long does the coach have" posts are getting way too frequent, and tiresome. What is the point?
March 29th, 2010 at 11:37 AM ^
My guess would be that he'll be here for the foreseeable future. At Michigan the expectations for basketball aren't nearly as high as football. If Beilein has us in the tourney most years and brings in talented players we can be proud of, that's all he has to do to stay around, unless he decides to leave.
Not that he and everyone else surrounding the program don't have higher aspirations.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:48 AM ^
Everyone relax. Re-read my post. I never said that we should fire Coach B now, but how his career at Michigan will end.
I am like jblaze. I believe that B will have a good, not great, Michigan career - tourney 1 out of 3 years and never advancing beyond the sweet 16. It seems that some people are fine with that, in that being good (not great) is satisfactory for Michigan B-ball. The question is: what will Brandon think and how will Coach B leave this institution?
I guess I want greatness in our Michigan b-ball program - we all do. I see some flashes of greatness in B, but not a consistent contender. I don't know if I can accept that in Michigan b-ball.
March 29th, 2010 at 12:03 PM ^
I think JB will do well at Michigan, especially if Izzo moves on to the NBA soon. Izzo said long ago that he didn't want to still be coaching college ball at the age he is now.
The reason I mention Izzo is because Izzo took advantage of the Ed Martin scandal to build his machine at MSU. He virtually had instate recruiting to himself for a ten year period. He still has a recruiting advantage over UM, but it is getting smaller. If he leaves, I think we will see UM start to land the one or two bigger recruits a year that they need to be an elite team again.
The balance of power has only been in MSU's favor for the Izzo era and the Magic blip; the rest of the time UM has been equal to or better than MSU. History says that it should eventually go that way again. I can't think of a better time than now, and it might as well happen with JB.
March 29th, 2010 at 12:08 PM ^
One of the big issues is that the greater Detroit area (including Flint etc.) isn't producing the great basketball players it used to. The talent just isn't there anymore because the motivation for the kids isn't there anymore. The student population is plummeting, the quality of life is plummeting, the likelihood that students will make it through school is plummeting... it's really a microcosm of the greater state of the state.
The city of Detroit's population is indeed plummetting (and enrollment in public schools even moreso) but that's not true of the metro area as a whole. I think it's still producing quality players. There are just fewer from the PSL itself.
March 29th, 2010 at 12:08 PM ^
When did Izzo say that? Was that before or after he turned into St. Izzo, the Patron Saint of March, where Final Fours are annoyingly routine?
If you really think Izzo is going to trade in being a lifer at Michigan State, where he is essentially a god who can do no wrong and even after retirement he will be revered, in order to take a chance in the NBA... You're crazy. He leaves MSU, there's no way he ever attains the same level of success, job security, or prestige ever again.