How far is Peters away from being ready
October 14th, 2017 at 4:12 PM ^
You are obviously someone in the know.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:12 PM ^
Like any of us know
October 14th, 2017 at 4:27 PM ^
I do, he's just as far off as Higdon is from the Heisman.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:31 PM ^
Yeah, well I'm actually Jim Harbaugh and we're trading Alex Malzone and a first round pick for Tom Brady.
October 14th, 2017 at 5:37 PM ^
You don't. You just said in another thread that Peters is behind DM which is not true consdiering Harbaugh himself said last week that Peters was #2 behind JOK.
October 14th, 2017 at 6:39 PM ^
Indiana's redshirt freshman looked better than O'Korn today, I'm sure Peters is higher-ranked than that guy. How can he be worse than what we've seen from Wilton and Korn so far?
October 14th, 2017 at 6:39 PM ^
Indiana's redshirt freshman looked better than O'Korn today, I'm sure Peters is higher-ranked than that guy. How can he be worse than what we've seen from Wilton and Korn so far?
October 14th, 2017 at 4:13 PM ^
+1 Insightful.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:17 PM ^
Peters is about 10 months and 3 weeks away.
Or another really bad injury.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:13 PM ^
Wisconsin, PSU, and OSU look like longshots. The only game I’m confident in winning is Rutgers.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:29 PM ^
Hoping Peters gets a fair amount of snaps against Rutgers. It'd be a great way to ease him in; it'll be like playing a high school team for him.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:44 PM ^
Compared to the last two years, we’ve had so little time for the backups to get playing time. I hope that changes soon.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:31 PM ^
Minnesota
October 14th, 2017 at 4:42 PM ^
I don’t see them much less fearsome then IU. I’d be worried about Maryland more if they didn’t have QB issues. 8-4 is the ceiling unless the offense comes to life, 7-5 maybe seems reasonable.
October 14th, 2017 at 5:19 PM ^
There is nothing wrong with the offense except it is playing without a QB. I gaurantee Peters is better than Okorn. I bet they could put Hurst at QB and he could throw for more than JOK. Nice guy but one terrible QB. This team is good but are majorly handicapped by not having a QB.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:14 PM ^
322 days, apparently
October 14th, 2017 at 4:33 PM ^
who may disagree
October 14th, 2017 at 4:14 PM ^
But man, O'Korn is as good as he's ever going to be and that's a huge problem. I still think the playcalling is not helping him at all. Glad we won but it's getting painful watching the offense. Thank God for Mr. Higdon today.
GO BLUE!!
October 14th, 2017 at 4:21 PM ^
The playcalling has been atrocious...absolutely atrocious. Did anyone see anything coming in that third down call on the last UM drive in regulation BESIDES that bullshit zone draw that never amounts to anything?!
When they set up the play action, it first led to wide open Peoples-Jones who would have walked in, then a missed read on the second one where Gentry was wide open on the sidelines.
Instead of coaching the guy up and running it again, they tried to sit on the ball, which would have worked if the block in Glasgow's back gets called as seemingly everything else today did.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:32 PM ^
You tell me what third down play you feel comfortable handing over to Johhny O and the Glaucoma QB Experience. They did draw up a pretty sweet fake toss shovel pass play, which the offense couldn't quite initiate before the play clock ran out.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:41 PM ^
Unless he's getting the play handed to him with seconds to spare, he's gotta get that off in time. Agree that the call was one of the few glimpses of creativity today (maybe the only one).
October 14th, 2017 at 4:50 PM ^
It's really hard to be creative when you can't trust your QB to do even the simplest things well. Even if he could throw accurate quick throws to the sidelines or screens, even a good OL has trouble executing those when the defense knows it doesn't have to worry about intermediate or deep passes. And our OL is ... not stellar.
October 14th, 2017 at 6:44 PM ^
Yes. This. Lack of execution severely handicaps our ability to play call. There are 0 (zero) layers to our offense. Zero.
Everyone and their brother will continue to line up to stop the run...because there is no fear of our offense passing the ball.
Couple this with our young Oline. Teams will continue to gameplan / t-off on us accordingly.
Keep hoping for development on offense week to week because our D is stellar. And even they will run out of magic eventually. They are getting tired.....
October 14th, 2017 at 7:58 PM ^
"Glaucoma QB Experience?"
Clever.
October 14th, 2017 at 8:07 PM ^
"Well"
If you're dead set on draw there, why was it a zone draw when iso & power have been much more productive? It's not even that I have a philosophical objection to zone, but this OL is just really bad at it. This is the same play they tried late in the 4th that MSU blew up too. That play with this personnel sucks.
Success all day downhill running, and they roll with a play they should forget they even have until next year.
Tough to call this in that situation when they haven't done it much if at all, but wouldn't mind seeing the pocket rolled out a little bit with more freedom for O'Korn to run if he see something.
October 14th, 2017 at 6:16 PM ^
There are very few plays you can call that can make up for a QB who can't make basic reads and identify wide open receivers
October 14th, 2017 at 8:57 PM ^
Playcalling is fine, every play looks like a bad call when OL can barely block and QB throws it to the wrong guy or nobody.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:27 PM ^
Totally agree that the playcalling has been bad... but JOK isn't helping matters at all with his incredible amount of awful reads and missing wide-open receivers. It's like a perfect storm of horrible playcalling and attrocious QB play.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:37 PM ^
It's not the play calling. It's okorn missing wide open guys.
October 14th, 2017 at 5:11 PM ^
Can he be this bad? Can't go thru his progressions, inaccurate, happy feet in pocket. What did Harbaugh see? That mad scramble for the first down completion was pure luck. He threw it up there in a big crowd and the ball had eyes.
October 14th, 2017 at 6:03 PM ^
and an accurate arm.
he problem is that O'Korn is bad at the rest. JH perhaps thought he could improve the rest. Has not happened. But O'Korn does have the kind of arm that is needed. Just is not seeing the field and the open 2nd or 3rd option, locks on his pre-snap decision, etc.
October 14th, 2017 at 5:32 PM ^
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. There is nothing wrong with the program, play calling or anfuything else. Anyone who can't see why it is such a struggle is just plain blind. Any team strapped with the completey ineptness at QB we have would struggle on offense. We gentleman are playing football at Michigan with absolutely zero at QB. Okorn should be benched and not heard from again. He made one good play that could have easily been a pick. If Michigan had a mediocre QB they would be very hard to beat. I can't state strongly enough how much the shit show we have at QB is holding this team back. Let's look at his stats and how many open receivers he misses. He is the problem!!. He is the problem!!. JOK is the problem!!. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
October 14th, 2017 at 6:05 PM ^
concept of trying to minimize the chance of blowing the lead with interceptions, the paly calling today was fine.
The play calling against MSU, however, was terrible.
October 14th, 2017 at 8:16 PM ^
Agreed. Against MSU it was bad from beginning to end. Today, a couple calls that stand out (like this series at the start of the third quarter where they went exclusively from the shotgun) but they rolled with what was working and kept the hot hand in the backfield. Couple relapses into the BS that has led them in trouble though.
October 14th, 2017 at 8:50 PM ^
Wait, I’m confused. Who are you saying is the problem?
October 14th, 2017 at 11:29 PM ^
Was JOK also the problem when Speight was playing?
October 14th, 2017 at 6:03 PM ^
The play calling - albeit questionable at times - would be looking GREAT if O'Korn simply executed it (guh...what a Hokeism). On nearly every pass play, O'Korn is throwing it to contested guys when other dudes are running wide open! It's almost like he wants to make the game harder for himself!
If O'Korn makes the right read and an accurate throw, we are all sitting here with a 42-10 win over Indiana (and a win against MSU too). No one is bitching abou tthe play calling at that point, and Harbaugh looks like a genius.
It's not the play calling!!!
October 14th, 2017 at 6:33 PM ^
for his QB development yet?
October 14th, 2017 at 8:22 PM ^
Early in the year, they relied too much on a zone-blocking scheme that this line doesn't do well. Running the ball better with better blocking schemes, but being done with the backup quarterback. We watched the Michigan offense struggle early in the season because of predictable first down running plays behind a blocking scheme that should have been identified long ago as being unproductive for this personnel group.
I get that the poor quarterback play is the easiest thing to identify, but to read simple takes that somehow play-calling hasn't been or isn't an issue is just laughable. Those of us who are harping on it are not guessing or hoping that different calls that are not being done will lead to better results. We are pointing out the successes that the offense is having that come as a result of plays and blocking schemes that are not being called enough.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:38 PM ^
play to the strength of its players. O'Korn is a role out, one or two read, rythem passer. He's not going to thrive as a pocket passer. Can't understand the lack of adjustments on the part of this coaching staff. If they're not willing to alter the playcalling for O'Korn then bring on the next guy I guess.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:43 PM ^
O’Korn hasn’t shown any ability to go beyond locking in to his first read. He misses WIDE open guys ALL. THE. TIME. Rolling out isn’t going to improve that and he only rolls out when he gets happy feet. And as we’ve seen, that often leads to him making bad passes.
But yeah, totally on the coaches for not building an offense around those traits.
October 14th, 2017 at 8:27 PM ^
There is a big difference between rolling the pocket and the quarterback scrambling. A huge difference. Rolling the pocket is often used to help young quarterbacks or those who struggle with what he is struggling with which is making secondary reads. You can essentially cut the field in half, and flood the zones against a zone defense, or if against man-to-man, there is often more Opportunities for a quarterback to run, and O'Korn has decent enough speed to take advantage.
But this is all philosophical as I haven't seen the offensive line pass block a rolling pocket enough to state a definitive opinion that they can do it consistently.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:14 PM ^
The coaches are just fuckin with you. Just you.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:14 PM ^
I'd have liked to have seen Peters in the game today at least once. If O'Korn was this bad against Indiana what the hell is he going to do at night on the road against Penn State?
October 14th, 2017 at 4:16 PM ^
Get mauled repeatedly
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October 14th, 2017 at 4:20 PM ^
And throw lots of picks.
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October 14th, 2017 at 4:21 PM ^
Correct
October 14th, 2017 at 4:53 PM ^
should have played Peters today for 1-2 series in the first half. oh well. okorn will be a body bag next week I guess
October 14th, 2017 at 5:37 PM ^
Indiana's defense is better than psu. JOK needs to go period. He is making everyone look bad. I do not know what else there is to say. HE IS THE PROBLEM...........NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!/