How does Michigan secure double bye in BTT?
Esteemed board member Romeowolv just informed me that, with one more win, Michigan will lock up a top-4 spot in the BTT and thus a double bye.
Is this accurate? We could have the same record as Wisconsin with just one more win and they obviously have the better head-to-head record (1-0) but is that the deciding factor in tournament seeding or not?
February 27th, 2019 at 10:03 AM ^
Um, we split with Wisconsin, but whatever.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:06 AM ^
Lol, dammit. So what determines seeding in that case? Rank?
February 27th, 2019 at 10:11 AM ^
Here is page I view for this. Good information. Updated as of 2/25. UM's chances of being the 5 or 6 are likely lower now due to the Wisconsin loss last night. Still most likely scenario is the 3 seed. https://www.btpowerhouse.com/2019/2/25/18239577/225-big-ten-tournament-seeding-simulation-standings-projections-purdue-michigan-iowa-rutgers-indiana
February 27th, 2019 at 11:01 AM ^
I don't think Michigan can be the 6 anymore, as I don't think they finish last in any of the possible multi-team tiebreakers at 13-7. Note that Iowa still plays Wisconsin. Michigan's worst possible finish is 13-7. That could be 5th place alone (Wisconsin and Maryland win out; Purdue wins at least once) or a 4th place tie.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:13 AM ^
"
IV. In case of a tie for any place finish in the regular-season standings, the following tie-breaking procedure shall be followed in order to seed teams in the tournament bracket:
A. Two-team tie:
1. Results of head-to-head competition during the regular-season.
2. Each team’s record vs. the team occupying the highest position in the final regular-season standings (or in the case of a tie for the championship, the next highest position in the regular-season standings), continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
a. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures), rather than the performance against the individual tied teams.
b. When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1, but 2-0 is not better than 1-0).
3. Won-loss percentage of all Division I opponents.
4. Coin toss conducted by the Commissioner or designee.
B. Multiple team tie:
1. Results of head-to-head competition during the regular-season.
a. When comparing records against the tied teams, the team with the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1, but 2-0 is not better than 1-0).
b. After the top team among the tied teams is determined, the second team is ranked by its record among the original tied teams, not the head-to-head record vs. the remaining team(s).
2. If the remaining teams are still tied, then each tied team’s record shall be compared to the team occupying the highest position in the final regular-season standings, continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
a. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures), rather than the performance against the individual tied teams.
b. When comparing records against a single team or group of teams, the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1, but 2-0 is not better than 1-0).
3. Won-loss percentage of Division I opponents.
4. Coin toss conducted by Commissioner or designee."
February 27th, 2019 at 10:26 AM ^
Coin toss. Can you folks imagine if a tie breaker would come down to that? I'd be furious if my team got fucked over a coin toss. Of course, the response to the complaining would be "well, win more games in the regular season and you don't have to worry about a coin toss." I get that, but it would not change how bad it would suck if we got fucked on a coin toss.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:40 AM ^
It pretty much happened in the 2015 African Cup of Nations. In group play, Mali and Guinea drew each of their three games 1-1. So they drew their head-to-head result 1-1, and both drew Ivory Coast and Cameroon 1-1 as well. Three goals scored, three goals conceded for each team. They drew balls from a pot and the team that drew a "2" got second place in the group and advanced to the knockout stage. Completely sucks, but no time to play an extra game or anything like that.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:46 AM ^
Which sport is that? Croquet? Water polo?
February 27th, 2019 at 1:53 PM ^
To be fair, the framers of the Big Ten rules originally meant it to be "dwarf toss", but for various reason the language was quietly changed to "coin toss". A historical tragedy that continues to the modern days...
February 27th, 2019 at 10:47 AM ^
Not even a round of rock, paper, scissors?
February 27th, 2019 at 2:19 PM ^
Drawing names determined party control of Virginia's House of Delegates following the election in 2016. (There was a tie vote for one seat, which was settled by a coin toss, and possession of that seat determined party control--if Republicans held the seat, they would have a majority while if Democrats held the seat, there would have been an even split in seats, necessitating a power-sharing agreement.)
February 27th, 2019 at 10:53 AM ^
If you read the book Friday Night Lights, three teams were tied for two playoff spots and the spots were decided via a coin toss at a non-disclosed truck stop at 1 AM.
February 27th, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^
It's also in the movie.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:17 AM ^
The correct answer is- whatever Delany can do to screw over Michigan is how the tiebreaker will be calculated. I think it's written somewhere in the small font.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:36 AM ^
NOT just Delaney, either---going back to Wayne Duke, there's been a "let's screw Michigan" mentality anytime the B1G Commissioners Office has a say.
February 27th, 2019 at 11:42 AM ^
Yep, I was going to point out the same thing. F Wayne Duke, F Jim Delaney, F the B1G.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:28 AM ^
by Win The Game?
February 27th, 2019 at 10:34 AM ^
Win The Game(s).
February 27th, 2019 at 10:43 AM ^
This is all there is to it. UM needs to win out and Purdue and MSU need to stumble somewhere else. MSU has three games left while Purdue has four (one of those four is tonight). Everything would be fine as far as Purdue is concerned had they lost that game against Rutgers, the one with one of the most miraculous shots I have ever seen. UM and MSU would essentially be playing for the crown (assuming they both win their two games prior to the final game of the season). Of course, had we defeated PSU like we should have, we would still be tied with MSU. So, it's mostly our fault we are in this situation.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:52 AM ^
If Purdue lost against Rutgers? They beat them by 35 in January.
Maybe thinking of Iowa that hit a miraculous shot to beat Rutgers. Bohannon has been ridiculous, although they got dumped last night by the Bucks and Fran McCaffrey lost his shit.
February 27th, 2019 at 11:14 AM ^
purdue did get bailed out by the refs at penn st in the final seconds of regulation. should have lost.
February 27th, 2019 at 11:24 AM ^
Ah shit, you're right. For some reason, I thought that was Purdue with that shot against Rutgers.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:46 AM ^
Beat penn state, or beat MSU on Sunday. We made our bed. Hopefully we get a reasonable draw come end of March.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:50 AM ^
Actually, that does look to be correct -- with a win tomorrow, Michigan secures a record of at least 14-6. That's guaranteed to be no worse than a tie for fourth with Wisconsin, and Michigan appears to win every tiebreaker against Wisconsin, as they've been brutal against the top of the Big Ten: 0-1 vs MSU, 0-1 vs Purdue, and 1-1 vs Maryland.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:21 PM ^
Except if UM loses to MSU again and MSU wins the conference, the second tiebreaker would give it to Wisconsin, better record against the first place team. I don't think Wisconsin is going to win out though, they have PSU who's playing really well, Iowa and OSU on the road. Maryland losing tonight should also help a lot.
February 27th, 2019 at 10:55 AM ^
Run the scenarios for yourself. Last night's results helped Michigan get closer to that double bye.
http://bball.notnothing.net/big10.php?sport=mbb
(I have not checked the math on that site, but seems close enough)
February 27th, 2019 at 11:04 AM ^
Just win, baby
February 27th, 2019 at 11:33 AM ^
stop the mental errors and move around without the ball.
February 27th, 2019 at 12:04 PM ^
Per the sight below, win one of their remaining three games.
http://bball.notnothing.net/big10.php?sport=mbb
February 27th, 2019 at 12:38 PM ^
Denoting the real ranking of B1G team order of A by S p e r A {\displaystyle \mathrm {Sper} A}, the separating ideal of α and β in S p e r A {\displaystyle \mathrm {Sper} A} is the ideal of A generated by all polynomials g ∈ A {\displaystyle g\in A} that change sign on α and β, ie. g ( α ) ≥ 0 {\displaystyle g(\alpha )\geq 0} and g ( β ) ≤ 0 {\displaystyle g(\beta )\leq 0}. Any finite covering R n = ∪ i P i {\displaystyle R^{n}=\cup _{i}P_{i}} of closed, semi-algebraic sets induces a corresponding covering S p e r A = ∪ i P ~ i {\displaystyle \mathrm {Sper} A=\cup _{i}{\tilde {P}}_{i}}, so, in particular, when f is piecewise polynomial, there is a polynomial f i f_{i} for every α ∈ S p e r A {\displaystyle \alpha \in \mathrm {Sper} A} such that f | P i = f i | P i {\displaystyle f|_{P_{i}}=f_{i}|_{P_{i}}} and α ∈ P ~ i {\displaystyle \alpha \in {\tilde {P}}_{i}}. This f i f_{i} is termed the local polynomial representative of f at α. Let α, β be in S p e r A {\displaystyle \mathrm {Sper} A} and f be piecewise-polynomial. It is conjectured that for every local representative of f at α, f α f_\alpha, and local representative of f at β, f β {\displaystyle f_{\beta }}, f α − f β {\displaystyle f_{\alpha }-f_{\beta }} is in the separating ideal of α and β.
That oughtta do it. (This formula is applicable for all Big Ten athletics). Just plug in the teams and you’re good to go.
February 27th, 2019 at 1:31 PM ^
I disagree.
February 27th, 2019 at 3:23 PM ^
Plug what....umm, whwre exactly?!
February 27th, 2019 at 1:55 PM ^
Kill everyone else... Isn't that the solution to most of life's problems?
February 27th, 2019 at 3:15 PM ^
Disappointed it took thirty minutes for the obvious answer- WIN