Holding Calls vs UM Opponents

Submitted by SpreadGuru on December 1st, 2017 at 10:18 AM

NOT TRYING TO INCITE A RIOT HERE

I am wondering if anyone can enlighten me as to the two holding calls that were called againt Michigan opponents in the last two years? 

Any idea what games those holding penalites were called?

I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A SMART ASS HERE.  I'm going to try to find them.

Comments

UMxWolverines

December 1st, 2017 at 10:59 AM ^

MSU was called for holding near the end weren't they to extend our attempted game winning drive? And OSU was called near the beginning of the game when they were backed up at the end of the first quarter. There is no way we've only had two holding calls on the other team. That is definitely made up.

AZBlue

December 1st, 2017 at 11:13 AM ^

A columnist from Canada looked at accepted holding penalties against our DL (that our DL drew if not clear)..in league play and there are a total of 2 in the last 2 years.  FYI with a total of 6 different DL that were voted 1st team B1G over that span.

Another poster did a thread mid-week that came up with a total of 10 over all 3 yrs of JH's tenure.  For reference OSU, MSU, PSU, and WI were all over 20 and (i think) Indiana actually led the pack at around 30.  This data came from ESPN and I am not sure if it includes Non-con.

uferfan

December 1st, 2017 at 11:41 AM ^

I was doing some digging for something else, and I found that Brandon Peters' QB Rating this season (142.2) is better than some other well-known quarterbacks out there:

Quinton Flowers - 139.6

Malik Rosier - 138.7

Steven Montez - 137.7

Luke Falk - 137.0

Ryan Finley - 132.8

Shane Morris - 130.2

Brian Lewerke - 124.2

Josh Allen - 124.0

Brandon Wimbush - 122.3

Clayton Thorson - 121.9

Wilton Speight - 121.9

John O'Korn - 101.2

umich1

December 1st, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^

Here are the 10 accepted B1G conference game offensive holding calls against UM opponents, in the last 3 years:

 

  • 2015 vs Northwestern.  Thorson, Clayton pass incomplete to Kidd, Garrett, PENALTY NORTHWSTRN holding (Park, Ian) 10 yards to the NORTHWSTRN40, NO PLAY.
  • 2015 @ Indiana.  INDIANA Penalty, Offensive Holding (Jake Reed) to the Mich 41
  • 2015 @ Indiana.  Redding, Devine rush for 5 yards to the MICHIGAN35, PENALTY INDIANA holding (Camiel, Dimitric) 10 yards to the 50 yardline, NO PLAY.
  • 2015 vs. Ohio State.  OHIO ST Penalty, Offensive Holding (Taylor Decker) to the OhSt 42
  • 2016 vs. Illinois.  ILLINOIS Penalty, Offensive Holding (Nick Allegretti) to the Mich 43
  • 2016 @ MSU.  R.J. Shelton run for 5 yds to the MchSt 49 MICHIGAN ST Penalty, Offensive Holding (Delton Williams) to the MchSt 39
  • 2016 vs. Indiana.  Devine Redding run for 13 yds to the Ind 35 INDIANA Penalty, Offensive Holding (Mitchell Paige) to the Ind 25
  • 2017 vs. Rutgers.  RUTGERS Penalty, Offensive holding (-10 Yards) to the Rutgr 21
  • 2017 @ Maryland.  Ryan Brand pass complete to Taivon Jacobs for 1 yd to the Mary 36 MARYLAND Penalty, Offensive holding (Jacquille Veii) to the Mary 26
  • 2017 @ Wisonsin.  Jonathan Taylor run for 5 yds to the WISCONSIN 49 WISCONSIN Penalty, Offensive Holding (Tyler Biadasz) to the Wisc 41

There were 3 offensive holding calls in addition the the above that were declined in the three year period, including 2 this year vs. MSU.

 

Pepto Bismol

December 1st, 2017 at 1:08 PM ^

'16 MSU penalty is on Delton Williams, who is a RB

'16 Indiana penalty is on Mitchell Paige, a WR

'17 Maryland penalty on Veii - also a WR

Doesn't say to whom the Rutgers penalty was charged.

 

Without those, we arrive at 2 accepted holding penalties by opposing offensive linemen over the past 2 seasons -- Illinois' Nick Allegretti in 2016 and Wisconsin's Tyler Biadasz two weeks ago.

I don't feel like this has been a waste of time at all.

SFBlue

December 1st, 2017 at 4:41 PM ^

That is very interesting. I would like to know whether these statistics are significantly meaningful, i.e. how many holding calls other teams in the B1G have benefitted from during the same period. Two in '16 seems egregious, particularly given the strength of Michigan's defense. 

Mongo

December 1st, 2017 at 12:25 PM ^

according to ESPN his UW game QBR (NCAA) was 123.3 ... that is with no TDs, if you add DPJ's catch as good, then it jumps to about 141.6 which is damn good.

charblue.

December 1st, 2017 at 5:40 PM ^

causes change. You might think that following last year's Ohio State game officiating controversies that nothing was addressed. And you would be wrong. In fact, there were a number of national stories that covered the issue and followed up, including one on Christmas Day of last year in which Bill Carollo, Big Ten's football coordinator of officials, indicated that in the 2016 game at least two no-calls were inappropriate and should have resulted in penalties against Ohio State. He demurred on The Spot call without offering an official review just like the booth let the play stand without change. .

One of the subject calls was the Lattimore takedown of Darboh in the first quarter of that game and the other was the Brandon Watson blindside hit by by Mike Weber after the Jabril Peppers interception.

Look, the league evaluates its football crews. And it  also protects its officials to ensure they are not subject to abuse and pressure.

College football officials work in various professions and officiate because they love the game. Officiating is practically a year-round deal. As an official, you are always subject to challenge based on your in-game performance and rules knowledge and application.

Football officiating at most levels begins in July and runs through the end of the playoff season. The off-season is brief before rules changes and preseason activities, meetings and testing takes place. Like most sports officials, football officiating involves nine to 10-month prep and on-field work. So, the idea that these guys should be working full-time is only about expanding what they basically do now in preparation for any given season.

I am not defending anyone. I am simply pointing out what is already occurring.

I can't explain why Michigan doesn't get holding calls. The holding call rule hasn't changed for a long time. You can look it up.

It is basically a blocking standard that prevents Olineman from grasping, hooking or using their hands illegally outside the framework of the upper body to encumber or deny movement of a defender. This is, of course, a standard with with wide latitude for validation and violation, which explains why the call is so ininfrequently made.

You also have to understand that based on crew responsibilities, only certain crew members are in position to make this call. And that would have typically involved the referee and umpire in the past. Biut now, the center official is the principal guy who is responsible for making this call.

The referee, or white hat, is watching the quarterback and contact with him post snap. He could often call holding but usually defers this call to his backfield partner. He's got so much going on that to expect him to make this call is sort of like expecting your supervisor to override others he's asked to cover other parts of your business operation. In other words, even if he sees it, he's unlikely to call it. He relies on his crew to make the calls, and he just makes sure they got them right.

Bigly yuge

December 1st, 2017 at 6:42 PM ^

Our defensive line has received a gross miscarriage of justice. I am hoping to go back and watch every game from the Harbaugh era in an effort to discover why our elite defensive line does not get holding calls more often. Not sure how long it will take, but when finished I will publish the results as a diary.