Hoke regrets not fixing chemistry issues last year

Submitted by UMgradMSUdad on April 21st, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Here's an interesting story comparing last year's leadership to the way Hoke is treating it this year. It's suggested that team chemistry and senior leadership were issues last year.

"(The leadership this year) is different," Hoke says. "You've got guys who are leaders that are older, but we've changed the model a bit. Our seniors are always going to be important, but you always worry about entitlement, so what we've done is put together a leadership representative group. It's four guys from each class, and they were all voted on by their classmates.

"That's really been effective. We've already met twice, and we'll meet here in another week. And it's interesting to listen to perspectives at different levels and different maturities."

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/04/brady_hoke_regrets_not_fixing.html

Comments

Space Coyote

April 21st, 2014 at 4:15 PM ^

Here's a link to a presser on August 9, 2010. Little to nothing negative about Rich Rod here. Rich Rod also decided to have two permanent captains and two elected for each game (a change to tradition). That lead to such hostile comments as:

"I like that they have voted for their two permanent captains at the beginning of the season. While I also like the game captain philosophy as a rotating honor, I think continuity of senior leadership across the season is important, and welcome the return of that tradition."

"The best thing about this to me is just how comfortable everything seems. It's all in the little things: not calling out Woolfolk, listening to the team and allowing them to elect captains, saying "we will worry about the outside stuff, the team needs to worry about football" and knowing that that is absolutely true. There is no sense of tension with the team or the press, it's all just business as usual. Which, really, is what we all want in the end."

"I like the fact that we have two permanent captains named for this season, along with two honorary captains.  I like that there seems to be more accountability and ownership amongst the seniors on this team.  Do we know why Rodriguez changed his policy on captains for this season and is this going to be the way things are done for the future?  Did the team select Schilling and Moundros or was that decision made by the coaches?"

"Senior leadership is the best news to me.  And RR listened to them and made two permanent captains.

The Team, The Team, The Team."

Need I continue with this?

NoMoPincherBug

April 21st, 2014 at 3:27 PM ^

This isnt an RR vs Hoke issue.... "irregardless" of what you may think.

However since you brought up 2011... the leaders on that team, other than Denard...were all Lloyd Carr recruits in their last chance to win some games at Michigan.  Molk, Hemingway, Martin, RVB etc. the list is full of guys who stepped up in their final year.

 

 

Reader71

April 21st, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^

First, who is BC? If you say Brady Choke, I'd suggest you take the time to spell it out. The burn will be so much stronger if people know what you're talking about.

Second, Coach Rod tried his damnedest, came up short, and now works for Arizona. That discussion is old, tired, and entirely irrelevant in this thread (and probably all others).

Third, mgoblog is probably the last place on earth to be accused of anti-Rodriguez bias.

Finally, Hoke has a much better record than Rod, and so is given the benefit of the doubt much more easily. This is how the world works. It's actually a pretty good way of living on earth.

MinWhisky

April 21st, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^

Your statement that "Hoke has a much better record than Rod" is simply untrue.   RR's college coaching record is 136-94-2 while Hoke's is 76-63.   ThisTTThis T

 Your statement is an illustration of the "bias" I see so often from so many bloggers on this board.

I made two typos in my original post, "BC" & "HC", instead of "BH" for Brady Hoke.  I have been following Michigan football for 60+ years and would like it to be successful.  I'm doubtful Hoke is the guy to get it done, but I would not be disrespectful and call him Brady Choke.

 

Reader71

April 21st, 2014 at 4:53 PM ^

At Michigan. I didn't think I had to spell that out. But now I have. Brady Hoke has a much better record at Michigan than Coach Rod did. And thus, he gets the benefit of the doubt from Michigan fans that Coach Rod did not.

Care to give the board some "historical facts" to dispute that?

MinWhisky

April 21st, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^

Your statement that "Hoke has a much better record than Rod" is simply untrue.   RR's college coaching record is 136-94-2 while Hoke's is 76-63.   ThisTTThis T

 Your statement is an illustration of the "bias" I see so often from so many bloggers on this board.

I made two typos in my original post, "BC" & "HC", instead of "BH" for Brady Hoke.  I have been following Michigan football for 60+ years and would like it to be successful.  I'm doubtful Hoke is the guy to get it done, but I would not be disrespectful and call him Brady Choke.

 

NoMoPincherBug

April 21st, 2014 at 3:25 PM ^

Admitting it is one thing, doing something about it is another.  I like Hoke...he is a good man...but he has not been assertive since he took over as HC at Michigan.  He has been supportive and a good "hand clapper" but he delegates far too much to his coordinators and staff...and this recent article here suggests he has been hands-off with the players too.

Its time for Brady Hoke to get Hands On.  Hopefully the last 2 years have been a wake up call.  Up until now, he seems to be in awe with reverence at being the HC at Michigan.  Thats not enough, he needs to step up and put his stamp on that responsibility.

Sten Carlson

April 21st, 2014 at 3:38 PM ^

At the end of it all guys, this is a football team for, by, and of students.  They are responsible for the chemistry -- the coaching staff can only do so much.  Michigan has had extremely small senior classes and it's showed.  If the upperclassmen are few in number and the natural leaders within those few are even smaller, what the fuck can you do?

Michigan is still suffering from the effects of all the turnover and changes.  Rebuilding takes time.

Don

April 21st, 2014 at 3:44 PM ^

THIS IS "throwing players under the bus":

"Marcus [Fillyaw] was absolutely awful. That's about as PG rated as I can say it. He was awful. Our guards were awful. Our three starting guards had one assist and seven turnovers. They must think it's a tax credit!" he said. "It's unbelievable how our starting guards played. And lets talk about our big guys. Two for 11. How can you go two for 11? My wife! My wife can score more than two buckets on 11 shots because I know my wife will at least shot fake one time." Hinson also said his players were "uncoachable right now" and called them "mama's boys."

THIS IS NOT "throwing players under the bus":

"I have to be a better leader, I should have taken some of the leadership (opportunities myself) and not anointed some of that (to just senior players)...I could have done a much better job with consistency. Every day.... (I should have stepped in) a little more, yeah. I think that's part of it."

 

 

Reader71

April 21st, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^

Eh, why can't both be cases of throwing people under the bus?

I'm as pro-Hoke as they come, but I think taking this to the press was a tactical error. It's a million times better than the Hinson rant, and he doesn't name names, and he doesn't make it personal, but he does suggest that the leadership failed.

Again, I'm not saying he is wrong and I am certainly not saying that the steps he's taken to rectify the situation have been wrong, but talking to the press about it is. Keep it in home. Tell the current squad that Taylor Lewan is the devil if you want, but heed the old sign that Carr had up in the meeting room:

What you see here,
What you hear here,
Let it stay here,
When you leave here.

Reader71

April 21st, 2014 at 5:04 PM ^

Freshmen used to report a day or two earlier than the rest of the squad to have a little mini-camp to get used to the pace of practice and the daily schedule and get some hands on time with the coaches before the real team came and the focus turned towards them.

At our first team meeting as college athletes, Lloyd Carr read Kipling to us, told us a parable about the creation of pearls, and used excerpts from Churchill's The Great War to explain Michigan football.

Then the assistant coaches came in and we talked about, you know, the sport. Coach Carr is a great, great guy and its a shame that fans don't get to see that kind of stuff. To me, that's what makes a head coach, not X's and O's.

Yeoman

April 21st, 2014 at 6:21 PM ^

NOW this is the law of the jungle, as old and as true as the sky,
And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.

...

When ye fight with a wolf of the pack ye must fight him alone and afar,
Lest others take part in the quarrel and the pack is diminished by war.
 

michgoblue

April 21st, 2014 at 4:58 PM ^

While I personally like the Carr mentality of never speaking to the press except when required to, Hoke is kind of damned either way.  When he speaks to the press, even when he accepts responsibility and doesn't blame a single other individual, he is called out for "throwing people under the bus."  When he doesn't address issues with the press or provide insight, he is accused of "hating the fans" or refusing to acknowledge the problem.

Personally, I don't think that he said a thing wrong - he accepted a lot of blame and didn't call out a single member of this or last year's team.  The fact is that anyone watching could see that the team lacked chemistry, cohesiveness and leadership.  Many on this blog noticed it.  Hoke is simply conceding that there was a problem and discussing a method that he has employed to fix it.

MinWhisky

April 22nd, 2014 at 8:56 AM ^

Re

What you see here,
What you hear here,
Let it stay here,
When you leave here. 

I understand the philosophy, and generally agree with it, but I wonder if that type of thinking helped keep the Brendan Gibbons episode under the rug.

Sometimes policies need to be broken.

Roc Blue in the Lou

April 21st, 2014 at 10:28 PM ^

I believe there have been multiple quotes from various players since the bowlgame suggesting the leadership paradigm (i.e. since that Senior's provide the primary if not exclusive leadership) needed tweeking...or was that twerking??  Anywho, it seems Brady is actually reacting to his team's suggestions.  Now, my concern is WHY NO MENTION OF THE STOLEN JEWELS???

Mgodiscgolfer

April 21st, 2014 at 10:37 PM ^

there was a problem with the chemistry tells me he is a leader and will take responsibility for short comings. This shows he will allow some transparency which might have been one of Carrs short comings. I don't know whether this is a good or a bad thing but I feel he is being real and I do like that. When you say something like this it can be high risk high reward, meaning I assume it could come back to haunt him or it could be a turning point for this team to really give coach their best effort. I just hope its the latter.

uminks

April 22nd, 2014 at 1:07 AM ^

The 5 best OL are selected to play after summer camp and no changes are made to the line unless there are injuries. Stop rotating lineman and let the line develop together.