Hoke Came Off Well, Brandon Not So Much

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I thought Hoke came off well today and I am looking forward to seeing what this team will do on Saturdays under his leadership.

As for Brandon, I have been silently critical of his handling of this process and how long he waited to do what we all (deep down) knew he was going to do. 

Did anyone else think Brandon came across like a lying politician today?  Especially when prodded about timelines and when/who was interviewed?

Seemed to me that it was Hoke all along and he put on a big charade for certain boosters and fans.  Maybe I am wrong here, but he just seemed a little slimy to me.  Especially when Hoke had to ask him "do you wanna take this one Dave" and Dave responds with "you take the first part, I'll take the second".  Then he takes the podium and said that Hokes timeline of a week ago was innaccurate.  Just kinda weird.

I am excited to see what Hoke can do though.  Go Blue.  Avoid the Noid!

Raoul

January 12th, 2011 at 10:00 PM ^

So you are so concerned with only one short-term thing--this year's recruiting class--that you would have been happier if Brandon had hired Hoke immediately after firing Rodriguez last week? Because I can guarantee that the bitching and moaning about Brandon on this board would be multiplied tenfold or more if he had done that.

Do you not understand that getting the program back on track for the long term is more important than one recruiting class?

VAWolverine

January 12th, 2011 at 6:53 PM ^

get off of DB's ass? Let's face it- the only thing we have searched for is a mate or a 12 pack at Kroger's. He is an administrator and you need a master's degree minimum to understand that.  Brady Hoke is the best coach for us now and the process was a success.

FGB

January 12th, 2011 at 7:27 PM ^

that he was basically lying when he said he'd conduct a national search.

I am on board with Hoke and I liked his press conference, but it was very evident that DB's national search really was actually focused on 3 possible people, all of whom had Michigan connections (JH, LM and BH).

Brandon reiterated he did a national search today, then followed up by saying that it was vital the candidates had experience recruiting in the area, then made the comments about not having to teach the Victors to the coach.

If Hoke ultimately works out here, that doesn't necessarily mean that Brandon had the open mind and open search that he claimed he was going to run.

PhillipFulmersPants

January 12th, 2011 at 9:59 PM ^

the new rocket science, yo.  I'm going to start using it the phrase liberally.

"Come on, honey, we're making PB&Js for the kids, here. Geez, this isn't adminstrating!" 

or 

"Ed, you need to CC on those emails to HR. It's not that hard to remember, is it? It's not like this is adminstration." 

MDave

January 12th, 2011 at 8:18 PM ^

I feel obligated to post this sarcastically for the perceived good of the board.

Where is Ohi?  When did it get it's own school?  Why should they be afraid of BH?

*fingers crossed in hopes that I spelled everything correct and was grammatically perfect, lest there be repercussions*

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

January 12th, 2011 at 6:55 PM ^

Hoke, I'm happy for. Got his dream job. Loved his answer to Sharp, which might as well have been a ring-encrusted middle finger. I mean, shit, though, there's a million ways Brandon could have done this better. Starting with not making it look like Hoke was the fallback choice. One of the stupidest things I ever read was that the reason Brandon was in Baton Rouge was because he was getting Les Miles' advice re: Hoke. Well shit man, that could have been done with a phone call, so, Brandon's line about nobody else being offered the job is phony as hell. Kind of like how the Big Ten wasn't going to invite any school that hadn't already said they would definitely accept.

flmaize

January 12th, 2011 at 6:57 PM ^

I think some people are reading way to much into his comments.  No leader(CEO or Politician) is going to give the details of his process to th the public or let alone the media.

Obviously the guy was tired and direct to the point, but I watched it after the fact and didn't find him to be to dickish.

BRCE

January 12th, 2011 at 7:02 PM ^

Watching Brandon be so un-pimp like today reminded me that we at Michigan want Gods. We told ourselves that Rodriguez was going to revolutionize the entire conference, that Barwis was going to get our guys ready to play a hundred-minute game, that DB was Mr. Smooth who got everything he wanted. When these things don't happen (RR and Barwis are gone, Brandon has become hated in record time), we get very disappointed, but no one can say we don't have incredible enthusiasm until you prove us wrong.

I just really, really hope that everything we're telling ourselves about Hoke (a guy who will turn Michigan around with toughness, unity, character, and a hatred of Ohio State that breeds actual results) comes to fruition. For once.

michman79

January 12th, 2011 at 7:04 PM ^

I like that he was a little bit of a dick.  I just didn't like that he insulted my intelligence by stating that he just offered Hoke yesterday, got 40 former players on flights from different cities to A2 with less than a days notice, etc, etc.

The whole thing has been coordinated which is a testimate to his organizational and political skills.

But my intelligence is insulted when he stands there and says he just decided on Hoke yesterday and that the whole thing hasn't been a big coordinated charade.

flmaize

January 12th, 2011 at 7:20 PM ^

 We don't know if he was lying about offering Hoke yesterday because:

1. Hoke was still working as normal for SDSU at that time (recruiting)

2. Couldn't locate Hoke and directly spoke to Hoke's wife at the press conference about that

3. He might have had a list of people ready to show up at the the press conference prior to all of this due to his time line of wanting a coach

MGoLiteral

January 12th, 2011 at 7:29 PM ^

Why do you care to know so much about the behind-the-scenes hiring process? Brandon hired what he believed to be the best guy for Michigan and that's all that matters. When I get a job offer I don't care if I was their first or last choice, and neither should you. Even if he had Hoke at the top of the list the whole time, he needed to be sure that he was the right guy and thus evaluated other candidates as well. We will never know the full details of his search, and that's the way it should be.

Stop trying to stir up drama. Brandon did the best job he could as a first time AD. The program is in good hands. Worry about something else. Move on.

Glen Masons Hot Wife

January 12th, 2011 at 7:14 PM ^

But we can make noise about our dislike for Dave Brandon.

He needs to go.

If/when Hoke doesn't work out in a few years, Dave Brandon is the last person we need to run the coaching search.

Was glad to see firedavebrandon.com is under construction. Hopefully something will come out there.

Brick

January 12th, 2011 at 7:41 PM ^

Are you serious with this?

A Superbowl MVP, NFL defensive MVP, former coaches, and just about everyone who played for Hoke at Michigan and other schools all think he is perfect for the job, but because you wanted something else, the athletic director needs to be fired?

What little respect I had for conversations on message boards is quickly dissapearing.

mGrowOld

January 12th, 2011 at 8:06 PM ^

The board has closed ranks behind Hoke.  It wouldnt matter if he was a third year med student that had never seen a football field before, now that DB has annointed him and the search is over the vast majority of the board is going to hold hands and sing kumbaya cause he's a "Michigan Man".

I just have one question for the pro-Hoke crowd.....who would be a WORSE hire?  Who did Brady beat out that you'd say "man am I glad we dont have THAT guy coaching us."?

HokeHogan

January 12th, 2011 at 7:19 PM ^

Cant get behind hoke after that press conf. you have to check yourself. And shutting up drew sharpton was a nice bonus. Im walking to work tomorrow!
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Old School

January 12th, 2011 at 7:20 PM ^

Interesting to hear that jab about Bill Martin. At least he had the courage to go against the Carr clique and choose from the outside. He displayed more character in that decision than some others.

mackbru

January 12th, 2011 at 7:22 PM ^

Brandon is a turd. Hole came off well. But it does bother me that he hasn't spoken with the players back in SD. I understand he had no time this week. But shouldn't he really go back and talk to them? I hate when coaches just bolt.

Raoul

January 12th, 2011 at 7:51 PM ^

He didn't meet with the team because he couldn't--SDSU is on break right now and the students won't be back until next Tuesday. He did send them all a text message, per a Chengelis article:

"That's the thing that you hate," Hoke said of not being able to tell his players face-to-face of his departure. "I blasted a text message and told them we had made a decision."

MGoLiteral

January 12th, 2011 at 7:32 PM ^

You can't criticize DB for using the pimp hand that we all anointed him with. I thought he did a great job with divulging as much information about the search as he could. Obviously some parts of the hiring process should never be made public and we must respect that. 

Plus, the last two minutes of the presser, where he was describing what it is to be michigan. That was some moving shit. This guy loves michigan just as much as Hoke.

jrblue

January 12th, 2011 at 7:45 PM ^

...about the last two minutes of the presser.  He really put his heart on his sleeve there. 

Another thing to keep in mind, he was speaking primarily to the "PRESS."  He wasn't talking to fans, former players, alumni (i guess some of the press are alumni, including Drew Dull), etc.  I am glad he put them in their place.  These were the same people who were crapping on the program.  DB knows that and wasn't ready to make kissy face with them just because they fawned over Hoke. 

Bo, Mo, Lloyd all BLED maize and blue.  They weren't the most sophisticated or innovative.  We loved them because they loved UM so much and were passionate, caring, and tenacious.  I get the same feeling from Hoke.

michman79

January 12th, 2011 at 7:30 PM ^

To MGOLITERAL: The reason I care about the process is because we lost recruits.  I didn't say anything about the first choice or last choice and don't care about that.  I simply stated, based on relevant evidence, that Brandon has known who his choice was for a period of time longer than the last 24 hours (which he implied).  So if he knew, what was the reason for putting on the charade and sabotaging the recruiting class?  That is at the heart of my post.

gobluesasquatch

January 13th, 2011 at 2:32 AM ^

I'm curious as to the relevant evidence that Brady Hoke was his man all along? Again, I'll reiterate a point I thought of before the dismissal of RichRod and the press conference comment, if you are in the business world, you are constantly considering your succession plans. So yes, I'm sure Brandon had a list of potential contacts in mind.

Now, when you stop thinking that this search HAS to have been like most other coaching searches, most hiring processes involve assembling candidates and actually interviewing all of them first. This process gives you a chance to actually use data, interviews, and recommendations to select the best coach, not just the flavor of the week. I think he was high on Hoke, but again, why even reach out to Fitzgerald. Outside of this blog (of which I was one of many that advocated for before and after the firing) no one was talking about Fitz, so it's not like asking to interview would be appeasing anyone (like Harbaugh/Miles). Also, I'm actually applying for a coaching job right now, had my second interview today, but during the initial interview, I was told that I was probably the strongest candidate out of all four initially interviewed. But that doesn't mean I was going to get the job, they are doing their due diligence. I might not click with some of the current staff that would be working under me. 

Finally, what is your evidence that some of those who have defected might have stayed with a Hoke hiring anyhow. Would more time help - possibly, but not guaranteed. DB played under Bo Schembechler. He has a degree from UofM. He was a CEO of Domino's Pizza. He's a former regent, and now an athletic director. I think he's earned a bit more respect and our patience. 

RickH

January 13th, 2011 at 2:56 AM ^

What relevant evidence?  Umm... Dave Brandon said Hoke was his first choice and he didn't offer the job to anyone else.

 

By the way, Dave Brandon is a douchebag and he definitely seems like a corrupt politician.  Don't like him and I get the sense that he's "fake" (hate using that word... 12 year old girls say that).

4godkingandwol…

January 12th, 2011 at 7:33 PM ^

... I thought he came off well, and I know I am in the minority. 

He was being a dick (which I liked) because this process has been undermined by the very people who claim to support the program.  The flight tracking, the immediate meltdown by the blog fanbase, the tweet rumor mongering, helped make this thing a circus.  Brandon even said all that stuff was not helpful and I think he has the right to be upset.  If we're honest about it, we made this a circus by our reaction, not him. 

From what it sounds like, he talked to a bunch of people and in the end he got a good coach who will build men of character out of boys.  He will build Michigan men.  Winning without integrity was never an option for me, and I for one am happy that within one week we have someone at the helm of the football team that is as passionate about Michigan and about the development of our youth as I am.  This is a testament to Brandon's decision.

4godkingandwol…

January 12th, 2011 at 8:29 PM ^

... I have no beef with RR.  Les Miles integrity can be challenged and should.   JH made some questionable comments about Michigan to improve Stanford's image.  That is not the action of a man with integrity.  He owed so much to the very school he was criticizing just for his own personal gain. 

michman79

January 12th, 2011 at 7:41 PM ^

I agree. None of the search needs to be made public...you are missing my point.  He should have just thrown politics aside and made his choice the second he knew he had his man.  He would have salvaged the recruiting class. 

Then again, Hoke has a few weeks to hopefully salvage the class.  If he comes across to them as he did to me today at the presser, we might be alright.

Obviously DB is in the position he is because he is a smart guy.  At this point, I will just assume that there are reasons unknown to me that he had to do it this way.  I just can't think of one.

the fume

January 12th, 2011 at 9:20 PM ^

He *had* to pursue Harbaugh to the depth's end. And I'm sure that was his plan. Everybody, including me, would have disavowed the program if he had hired Hoke a month ago.

And I'm not buying the argument that all these flights take a week to get lined up; they don't. At any rate, don't you think everybody that showed up today would have been thrilled with JH as well? Or Miles? If I Were DB, I'd have them lined up no matter who the coach was. It only makes sense.

Bottom line is, you can have your theories that this was all a charade to dupe you, and sure some of that necessarily goes on with something very public that one is trying to keep private, but you can't objectively judge a guy on what you don't know.

RickH

January 13th, 2011 at 3:02 AM ^

Little extreme but the first example in my head.  Just because OJ Simpson was proven not guilty and I don't officially know that he committed double murder, doesn't mean I can't objectively judge him.

Braylon1

January 12th, 2011 at 7:41 PM ^

To me he came off extremely defensive and even weak at times.

Brandon usually exudes confidence and self assuredness, but you could tell the stress from unhappy fans has gotten to him.

Believe me, he's going to do everything he can to get Hoke to win. If not, he's going to feel 10x more pressure for firing Rich Rodriguez, especially when Rich lands somewhere else and goes to BCS bowls.

Love what Hoke said about not supporting Michigan (RR)

"Shame on us."

I'm not a Brandon fan anymore. I really liked RR and wanted him for 1 more season, but I support Hoke like I supported Lloyd and RR.