Hardaway passes Robert Traylor, Chris Webber in career points

Submitted by Wolverine Devotee on January 9th, 2013 at 9:32 PM

With 15 points tonight, Tim Hardaway Jr. has passed a total of 4 great Wolverines in one night on the career points list. 

Hardaway was tied at 1,210 going into tonight with the late Robert Traylor. Tim now moves to 32nd on Michigan's 1,000 point club.



Tim Hardaway, Jr.


2010-11 -


Dennis Stewart


1966-67 – 1968-69


Chris Webber*


1991-92 – 1992-93*


Richard Rellford


1982-83 – 1985-86


Robert Traylor*


1995-96 – 1997-98*




January 9th, 2013 at 9:39 PM ^

In the comments of other B-Ball threads (all time points rank).  Good on Timmy, he looked pretty good tonight despite the overall poor showing.


January 9th, 2013 at 10:01 PM ^

I like how he drives to the lane: a lot of guys will put their head down, scrunch their shoulders, and drive in for leverage, but Tim keeps mostly straight up and down with his shoulders and feet squared.  This gives him a better look to stop and elevate for a jumper, or swing a pass out to someone else on the arc if need be. 


Bando Calrissian

January 10th, 2013 at 1:09 AM ^

Incorrect.  The University cannot publicly associate with Webber, he cannot give money to the University or the Athletic Department (i.e., he cannot do anything that would categorize him under NCAA rules as a "booster"), he cannot represent the University in any capacity, etc.  In other words, as far as anything the University does is concerned, Chris Webber does not exist until the 10-year ban expires.

Yet if he really wanted to, he could buy a ticket just like anyone else and go to a game.  And there is absolutely nothing the NCAA can do to restrict him from being on campus.  It's not a restraining order controlling his physical movement.


January 10th, 2013 at 2:56 AM ^

IIRC, the Fab Four weren't documented members of the Ed Martin payroll, so their individual record stand, and they aren't banned.  

OTOH, Webber and Traylor don't officially exist.  Therefore, their points were transported into an alternate reality, and don't count in this one.


January 9th, 2013 at 10:31 PM ^

There is some select company looming above him on the list as well. If THJ continues scoring at the clip that he averages this year, he would potentially find himself sitting somewhere in the space between Benard Robinson and Rumeal Robinson on the list, having possibly jumped the likes of Terry Mills and Maceo Baston along the way. It's definitely possible. 

One thing that is interesting about where Hardaway is at statistically is that he is scoring at a rate a little above the average of the others in the top 35 (arbitrary cutoff for comparison admittedly), and only a little below the average when comes to the effective FG% of those in the group. Not a bad performance by a Wolverine by any standard over the course of a career. 


January 9th, 2013 at 11:13 PM ^

I think Hardaway's accomplishments are going to be a tad bit underappreciated because he was never the best player on his team (D-Mo, then Burke). That being said he's been the 2nd best player on what will be 3 straight NCAA qualifying squads, including one that won a Big Ten Title. Also I think he's done a fine job stepping into the leadership void left by Novak/Douglass on this squad. 


January 9th, 2013 at 11:17 PM ^

Richard Rellfrod Rocked!   He was a Beast!


This new era of M hoops is hopefully going to be as fun as the early '80s - late '80s era was.  This year is starting even better and there is no reason to think it won't continue.  I'd forgotten how much fun having a good basketball team was...very fun!


January 10th, 2013 at 11:08 AM ^

26. Steve Grote, 1974-77 __________________ 1,330

27. Courtney Sims, 2004-07 _______________ 1,329

28. Lester Abram, 2002-07 ________________ 1,274

29. Ray Jackson, 1992-95 __________________ 1,262

* Maurice Taylor*, 1995-97 _______________ 1,262

31. Eric Turner, 1982-84 ___________________ 1,251





January 10th, 2013 at 11:36 AM ^

All-time records are cool, but I've always kind of wondered whether they accurately reflect the dominance of a player in the college context in the same manner as individual season records.