April 17th, 2013 at 10:10 AM ^

If THJ stays we have great senior leadership.  It is not clear to me if we would see much talent improvement over what he did this year.  However, leadership is a quantity that is impossible to measure on the stat line that would be missed. 

If THJ goes it means more playing time for Irvin who probably has more upside.  There will be struggles early in the season and loses against some tough teams.

If Hardaway stays the two people who could see minutes drop or not see a role increase are Stauskus and LeVert.  If Irving shows almost as  good a 3pt shot but better defense I could see Irving taking some of Stauskus minutes.  Also have to wonder how LeVert gets on the floor.  If we presume Irving is used to spell Robinson(not a given) your looking at 5 people having to share 120 minutes.  If we exclude the 4 position that would be 80 minutes for 4 people.

I think we are a better team if Hardaway stays.  But if he is the only other player to declare early the team should be okay.


April 17th, 2013 at 10:11 AM ^

I dont see him staying with Trey gone.  All that has surrounded "them" as the fire and ice.  I think he wants to leave on the same note.  He doesnt want to be the other guy that didnt make it the same year.  But who knows....  I think he may have hit his ceiling as well in college ball. I wish him the best of luck


Go Blue


April 17th, 2013 at 10:16 AM ^

Say you are a junior in college and get offered a $500 K/Year job.

The company tells you you're welcome to leave school before your senior year and start working.

I know, as a college kid, I'm taking the money.

In Timmy's case...he gets to play a sport he loves and gets paid to do it!


April 17th, 2013 at 10:21 AM ^

"this is Michigan, or course I am staying, I mean what did you think?  And the GR III and McGary are gonna run out of the tunnel and be like "we stayin too."  And I am going to celebrate with pizza.


April 17th, 2013 at 10:21 AM ^

I'm pretty sure he'll come back. His dad is a scout for Miami and knows exactly what Tim needs to work on and I forsee him finally getting back into coaching his son. He knows that his son playing (and being the face/leader of) a top 10 college team will get him more exposure than sitting on a pro-bench or even playing untelevised games in a place like Idaho for the NBADL. Unless Hardaway Sr. has some sweet deal worked out with an NBA team, my guess is he comes back.


April 17th, 2013 at 10:23 AM ^

He's probably gone. Declaring (the day) after the deadline to withdraw gives him no room to second-guess himself or reason for random people to sway his decision back. He is the one guy from this team that I will understand why he makes whatever decision he does. That being said, GR3 and MM need to come back for one more year, show they can be leaders and develop the obvious flaws in their game, and then make some money. We'll be in good shape if they stay.


April 17th, 2013 at 10:33 AM ^

BB is a different sport and last year Burke wasn't ready. Plain and simple. I thought it was crazy for him to even entertain the idea. This year, one year later, Burke would have been risking his career by staying. As for THJ, IMHO, he is not ready. The kid is a 4 year player. Period. Going this year and a 1st round selection isn't even close to a guarantee and he is an GOOD college player, not great. GR3 has the biggest NBA potential on this entire team but he is too timid/mentally unprepared. He needs another year or two and he is a top 5 pick in any level of draft strength. Finally, for Mitch to even be considering going to the NBA is insane. He went from absolutely undraftable in the regular season (for a reason) to, admittedly, maybe the best player in the tourney. Yet, that was a handfull of games in a season. He needs at least another year and before the tourney he had 4 year player written all over him. I don't say any of this out of hope or homerism but flat out obvious observation. I also have a feeling THJ goes pro and, while thanks and good for him, it's a mistake. Heck, as unready as GR3 is he'd almost assuredly go ahead of THJ. Same for the other two as far as mistakes go. For the benefit of THE PLAYERS & Michigan, we should only be replacing Burke next year. I have a feeling we may be replacing as many as 3-4 players and 1 of them (if they go now) will be out of the NBA in a year, another will be a journeyman and wind up in Europe with the last being a "project" that will either be a legit starter in the NBA in a couple years or a career bench player.


April 17th, 2013 at 1:07 PM ^

Exactly my point. Both go now and MM is out of the NBA in a year. GR3 would be the legit starter in a couple years or lifetime bench player if he came out. One year in BB can make SUCH a difference. Anyone outside of Burke leaving would be a huge mistake for THEM. Forget Michigan BB for a sec. It would hurt their careers. Period.


April 23rd, 2013 at 1:50 AM ^

I totally agreed with you.  I will go as far to predict that he will eventually have a nothing career in the NBA.  At best....possibly a couple of years on the bench, and then possibly the Euorpean League.   As a player in college, he was very good.  There are flashes of brillience, but not a consistent performer.  Should he go pro, he won't have the chance to get better.  After another year on the bench, he has to compete with new rookies for a spot on the bench.  That bench gets real short real fast.  Still best of luck to him pursuing his dream playing for the NBA.  Go Blue.


April 17th, 2013 at 10:48 AM ^

I'm sure I'll get zinged for this, but I'll still make the argument ...

I haven't seen Z Irvin's name mentioned much on this thread, but it's quite possible that, assuming everyone else returns, Hardaway could see less minutes next year.  He did disappear at critical points in the season and his defense was suspect at best.  I am certainly not claiming to be prophetic, but two years ago I said Burke will make everyone forget about Morris; I am saying today, having seen this kid play a couple of times, Irvin will make the transition away from Hardaway less painful


April 17th, 2013 at 10:53 AM ^

I guess the good news is whatever he decides he's deciding today so it's not dragging on until the last minute.

I'm betting he's gone.  And as much as I'd love to see him stay, I just don't see where another year would do anything to move his draft stock up or down.  So given the time value of money he's better off to come out now and start cashing checks.  Cause they'll be about the same amount this year as they'll be next year - he'll just have one more year of them.


April 17th, 2013 at 10:55 AM ^

I personally think that if all four were going to leave (Burke, THJ, Mitch, and GRIII) we would have seen more offers go out by now. We have Walton and Irvin to replace Burke and Hardaway, and to me those are nice replacement pieces to have.


April 17th, 2013 at 11:06 AM ^

Stronger draft class next year (theoretically, any of those guys could have a rough season) aside everything else pretty much demands that THJ comes back. He had great regular season, and an okay tournament, but nothing that screams NBA starter; and he's already a third-year starter.  He'd probably be best to come back, give this young team leadership, show that he's still improving, and get his degree. That way, when he goes to the NBA next year he can transition into something else around the sport (coaching, management, journalism) OR make the journey to Europe and keep playing.  One year that opens up a lot of options...

But it's his choice either way. And I think it's 60/40 a good decision to return, if even that much...

Burke didn't really have a choice to make. His stock is at an all-time high and even if he could repeat it all next year the media wouldn't the blown away enough to heap the awards on him again...  As great as another year of Trey Burke would've been for Michigan Basketball, I'm afraid it would've been really bad for him.  He made the right choice.

GRIII and McGary need at least another year each.  GRIII has the potential and all the right physical tools, but his mind and attitude hasn't caught up yet.  Throwing him in with a bunch of NBA guys is just as likely to shake him up as it is to improve him at this stage.  McGary just needs to show what he can do without Burke over more than a 5 game run.  He had a phenomenal tournament; but a lot of analysts are crediting a sizable amount of that to Burke's management of the plays.  If McGary can impove on defense and show that he can be a leader/creater on offense he'll be ready to go; but that's at least (probably exactly) a year away.


April 17th, 2013 at 11:29 AM ^

Three tournament appearances.
4-2 against MSU
B1G Championship
2013 NCAA Runner Up

Whatever he decides, he doesn't owe us anything. But if he stays, and Michigan makes another run...

They're going to have to hang his jersey up next to Trey's.

That's a legacy.


April 17th, 2013 at 12:22 PM ^

Just to clarify, since I haven't seen any rumors or pics, you are just being funny, right? Referring to the pics of garbage bags that supposedly indicated Burke was gone last year?

Edit: This is an honest question. Not sure why it's been marked flamebait. I recall that last year one of the reasons people said Burke was gone was due to garbage bags in "his" dorm. Is this what is being referred to here, or are there actual new pics/rumors for this year's crop of possible exits?

Ball Hawk

April 17th, 2013 at 11:32 AM ^

I think he is gone. Like someone else said, next year's draft is really stacked with talent and would have a better shot going higher this year especially coming off from a national championship game.


April 17th, 2013 at 11:56 AM ^

It's always rather interesting to watch the dichotomy of fanbases waiting for draft decisions. On one hand you have people saying that he should come back because he's not good enough to go to the NBA/NFL, but on the other hand they recognize that he's good enough to help their team which is why they really want him to stay.

I'm honetly not sure if Hardaway is good enough to stick in the NBA because I think he does a few things at a "good" level (get to the basket, shoot, defend), but not one thing at an elite level (for Burke I think that'd be quickness, GRIII finishing at the rim, McGary motor). That being said it's probably in his best interest to declare this year because of the aforementioned stigmas attached to 4-year guys. If he does, I'll be appreciatve of all he did for the team (the 2011 20 pt second half against MSU, NBA fire jam perforamce against OSU this year, etc.) and be rooting for him to do awesome at the next level.



April 17th, 2013 at 12:06 PM ^

Hope THJ stays... but anybody who says they can't see the logic behind him leaving is fooling themselves. Forget his father's money (or purported lack thereof) - do people with money not want more money? This is a chance for another year in the league to make great money and play ball professionally - what's not to understand?


April 17th, 2013 at 12:14 PM ^

....and perhaps missed this morning by some was Josh Bartelstein on WTKA talking about how he, among others, has had a chat with Tim Hardaway Jr. as he has gathered input for this decision, whatever it turns out to be. Bartelstein doesn't go into much detail about those conversations specifically (for good reason, of course, although he does say he's had chats with Mitch McGary and Glenn Robinson III as well), but he does talk about how his father's job and being the son of an agent give him an some insight into this. It starts roughly around the 10-minute mark of this podcast  - HERE.

It is an interesting interview throughout, but for this thread, those last six minutes or so are particularly interesting.


Indiana Blue

April 17th, 2013 at 12:29 PM ^

but having a year like they had has to be a plus for staying.  He knows that Mitch is going to be a beast next year and that GRIII will also improve greatly.  This would also become Tim's team ... much like it was Trey's team this year.   Plus - its college life  nothing like it.   Having graduated 35 years ago .... let me tell ya - ain't nothin better than those 4 or ____ (fill in the blank) of college life.   

I also think that Tm has an excellent opportunity to actually increase his potential for an NBA pick based upon a more consistent shooting game and fewer turnovers next year.  Add to that the fun all of us will have watching Timmy thrash IU twicw next year and watching Crean break down on camera ... hahahahha

Go Blue!


April 17th, 2013 at 12:55 PM ^

but my brain knows that another year probably won't do anything for his stock.  He'll be  a year older.


I only see him staying to enjoy his senior year at UM.  It's totally his call.  I don't see him returning.  Let's hope I'm wrong.


April 17th, 2013 at 1:01 PM ^

as of 12 52 hardaway is going pro.   i am and will be sad and will miss him.  wish he was back and took over as this was his team..   edit  someone already posted