Hackett: Hoke will be evaluated at the end of the season

Submitted by ckersh74 on

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/201…

Nothing shocking in the headline, or the article for that matter.

However, the quote at the end appears to tip Hackett's hand:

Brady's a man of extreme integrity. … And he knows more than any of us that we're not performing at the level we should as a Michigan program.

My personal, amateur reading of things: Hoke's cooked, and he knows it. 

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Cold War

November 14th, 2014 at 8:46 AM ^

"Brady's a man of extreme integrity. … And he knows more than any of us that we're not performing at the level we should as a Michigan program."

This is exactly the type of comment Brandon used to make.

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WolvinLA2

November 14th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^

Is it?  Even so, there's nothing wrong with this comment, and we don't have to hate it just because Brandon used to say something like it.  

If Dave Brandon used to say that he loved his mother, I'm not going to get pissed at Hackett if I find out he also loves his mother.

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goblue16

November 13th, 2014 at 11:27 PM ^

Agreed the same thing was said for RR. I fear the OSU game for so many reasons. A win or a loss will dramatically change the future will leave it at that

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1M1Ucla

November 14th, 2014 at 12:42 AM ^

No one benefitted from the Process charade. Get on with it. It's not like there's any suspense left. Find a new coach over the next two months. Give Brady his $3 mil, or whatever it is on the 23rd. If there's a bowl game, appoint Fred Jackson or Peewee Herman or whomever interim head coach, play the money-losing bowl game, get the new coach into the big office at Bo Hall by the end of December or early January and finish whatever can be salvaged of recruiting this year.

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Brodie

November 14th, 2014 at 2:35 AM ^

In the past, coaches whose teams were penciled in to play in January (Urban Meyer, RichRod, Brian Kelly) still accepted new jobs in December. Of those only Meyer coached his team in the BCS game, but it was as a glorified figurehead to "co-head coach" Kyle Wittingham.

If we hire someone like Mullen, I imagine it would be a similar deal.

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maizenbluenc

November 14th, 2014 at 7:22 AM ^

Fired effective the day after the bowl game / starting the coaching search now. The hire the new coach in a way that they can put a recruiting staff in Ann Arbor while finishing out their existing season. (If their current employer chooses to let them go ASAP - a la Bo - then we at least tried to do this with integrity.)

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Mr. Yost

November 14th, 2014 at 7:27 AM ^

Look at the this year's candidates not year's past.

If there was a clear candidate who was taking an upgrade...sure, it's a no brainer that you fire Hoke after the OSU game and take that guy.

If Mark Stoops is 10-2 at UK and just on the outside of the CFB Playoff, you fire Hoke and hire him ASAP. Michigan is a clear upgrade over UK.

Name one coaching candidate in 2014 where you can say that. 

You can't. The top candidates on most lists both end in Harbaugh and they'll be in their regular season until January.

There isn't anyone who's a clear cut choice. Les Miles won't be in the CFB playoff mix, so unless he's your guy...and I hope not...but unless he's it and you know for sure he's coming. You're better off waiting until the end of Decemeber.

Why create a media storm around a potential candidate and force him to hold a press conference to turn down a job before he's offered.

This is a SHITTY year for head coaches. Last year was much better. Do you realize Texas got a great coach and he was like 8th on their list?

Remember last year, Saban, Fisher, Mora, Sumlin, Briles, etc. all turned them down first...Sumlin and Briles had big bowl games to coach. Obviously Fisher did as well.

The point is, it can't HELP you to create a media storm around a coach who is still in the midst of something special with his current team, it can only hurt. We're not in a position to lose even 1% of a chance at the guy we want. 

If Michigan or Florida think think they're going to get Mullen before this amazing season for MSU ends, they deserve to suck, because they're crazy. 

I'm not saying wait until mid-January. But there's nothing wrong with mid to late December.

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tolmichfan

November 14th, 2014 at 8:19 AM ^

We literally only have 2 choices for coach next year Hoke or Harbaugh. To think we can hire another power 5 coach before January is just not going to happen. If San Fran makes the playoffs Harbaugh isn't going to be coaching Michigan next year. He would have to breach his contract with. I'm no lawyer or know much about breaching NFL coaching contracts but I got to imagine it's a lot harder for a coach to break it then the team to break it. What would San Fran gain from breaking this contract, nothing. Why would you get rid of a coach that takes your team to the playoff every year and to the Super Bowl and NFC champ games. That just sounds like the dumbest idea ever. They would trade him to another team before the just let Harbaugh go. If Harbaugh wants the Michigan job, after 2015 when his contract is up, is the year to get him.

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tolmichfan

November 14th, 2014 at 11:58 AM ^

I don't have access to his contract and I don't think anyone on this board has access to it. It would be sweet so all this speculation could stop. I just look at situations and try to look at it without my Michigan bias. Like Mullen if your goal is to win MNC, and he has as good of a chance as other teams, why would he leave MSU. Your in a confrence that if the chips fall right you can make the playoffs with two losses (miles did this at LSU) . In the Big Ten right now you have to go undefeated to make the playoffs. Also at MSU if you go 8-5 the fans are not calling for your job. It only takes one great coach staying with a program to turn it into a national power. Look at FSU with Bowden and Penn State with Parterno. College sports has become very flat if you are at a power 5 school. Maybe Mullen likes to rebuild programs, but he has been at MSU for a while not that I recall his name has never been rumeard with other jobs.

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Lionsfan

November 14th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

I'm sorry, but none of your reasons make any sense. Do you really follow college football? Or are you just being contrarian and claiming it's "Without Michigan bias"?

Yes, the SEC is in great position regarding playoff berths, but the 2-loss thing isn't going to happen with only 4 teams. The only reason Les made it in with 2 losses was because 2007 was just a crazy year all around. Look at the final BCS standings, and tell me who else could have gone?

Second, about this "Also at MSU if you go 8-5 the fans are not calling for your job"

Ummm, that was absolutely happening the last few years. Fans down there were saying he couldn't win the big one, and there were talks about him being on the hot seat.

Third, yes, it only takes one good coach to turn a school into a powerhouse team. If the right circumstances are there too. And quite playing, playing Alabama/LSU/Ole Miss/TAMU every single year isn't exactly the right circumstances.

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tolmichfan

November 14th, 2014 at 1:57 PM ^

Yes I watch a lot of college football probably more than I should, but I can't watch as much as I'd like because I have a two year old and sometimes she just has to watch some Doc Mcstuffens. Also I do like to be contrarian because if you have a bunch of yes men you don't get a good picture of the situation. Do I really think every year a two loss SEC team is going to be in the playoffs no, but look at those standings I counted like 8 two loose teams so that year which was pretty crazy 3 two loss teams would have made the playoffs. So both nick Sabah and Les Miles are in thier 60s how much longer do you think they will coach? Maybe 5 years. Saban is 63, I know he doesn't look a day over 55, but he is coming to the end of his career maybe even in two or three years. So Bama is going to be changeing coaches soon and maybe they go Insane and promote Kiffen. They do seem to like him down there and he does have head coaching experience. How he keeps getting hired is beyond me, maybe his wife bakes good cookies. Miles doesn't have a lot of Top coaches in his coaching tree that will be looking for a job in the next 5 years. Maybe Bo Polini, so they probably promote Cam Cameron. So the two top schools in his division are going to have coaching changes in the near future. The shine is coming off Texas A&M is coming off a bit without Johny and Evans. Ole miss great they are haveing a good year but they are probably gonna finish 3 or 4 in the division. So if I'm Mullen and im looking into my crystal ball and I have guys that I have recruited in the system I run, I'm staying put. I just want Michigan fans to realize Dan Mullen to Michigan is like the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus....figments of our collective imagination.

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Mr Miggle

November 14th, 2014 at 8:44 AM ^

for filling coaching jobs. Listing a bunch of names who stayed put rather than go to Texas shows what, exactly? Texas is probably the #1 job in the country. People float out all sorts of names for them. I have no idea what that proves, but I don't think any of those coaches were really in the market for new jobs. Did anyone but Saban even consider them?

Texas and Penn State hired good coaches away from lesser power 5 schools. There's really no reason that Michigan and Florida can't do the same if they choose to this year. 

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Brodie

November 14th, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^

People have had their minds warped by the Bielema hire and OSU getting Urban to think that EVERYONE should be landing a guy with multiple BCS wins every season. That's super clear now... we've lost track of what is real and what is really possible. If Urban Meyer as he existed when he got the Florida job was out there today, nobody here would want him.

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wayneandgarth

November 14th, 2014 at 10:04 AM ^

Yeah, I see what you are saying and they are good points when you are talking about a Harbaugh who isn't going to abandon his team mid-season.  But, there is no way Harbaugh is the only candidate.  So, if Hackett wants to talk to college coaches, they are open season right after the OSU game; obviously many will take a new job before they play their bowl game. 

These candidates don't like to talk to ADs when the other guy isn't even fired.  Yes, the agents will talk, but the coaches generally won't -- unless they are of low character, which we don't want anyway.

The answer on Hoke is too obvious, so just fire him by December 1st and move on to the next step in the process.

Also important if you ask me, firing Brady sooner than later is more fair to him if he wants to pursue his next opportunity.

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tolmichfan

November 14th, 2014 at 8:30 AM ^

I think we beat Maryland by about 2 or 3 scores. This team is getting better every week and coming off a bye week we got a real good chance. It's amazing how wins build a teams confidence even a 10-9 MooN game. Did you see how those players celebrated after Clarks sack that's a team that still wants to win.

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McSomething

November 14th, 2014 at 9:41 AM ^

We haven't gotten better, the competition got worse. Penn State, Indiana, and Northwestern were arguably the three worst teams we'd play in conference going into this season (an argument could be made for Rutgers being in the bottom three, but we lost to them so...yeah). And aside from shutting down and pulling away in the 2nd half against an Indiana playing a 37th string QB, we have looked absolutely terrible in those wins.

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tolmichfan

November 14th, 2014 at 10:05 AM ^

While your points are all true and no one can argue that the teams we beat are really good. Maryland is about as good as those teams so yes I do think we can win because we have won all of those games but Rutgers. From a player mind set and confidence of a team, no one cares how you win except the fans, its all about a W.

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tolmichfan

November 14th, 2014 at 11:06 AM ^

When has logic and teams winning and looseing ever gotten in the way of a victory. Was it logical when Boise State beat Oklahoma or last year Oklahoma beating Bama? If wins and looses were determind on paper then we should just stop playing the game. That's what makes sports great illogical things happen alla the time.

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tolmichfan

November 14th, 2014 at 2:06 PM ^

Well when I played and you got a safety it was a score. They did put points on the board. Also if you kick a field goal they magically put points on the board. 8 points is what you get when you have 2 field goals and a safety so by my mysterious math that is 3 scores. But I really think we win by 10 or 17 a more traditional 2 or 3 scores.

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McSomething

November 14th, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^

A safety or a field goal being "a score" still doesn't make 8 points a 3 score game. No matter how you try to twist it. You're literally the only person I've ever seen try to argue 8 points is a 3 score lead. Is this how far Michigan football has fallen? Are you gonna say MSU beat us by 8-12 scores? I doubt it.

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tolmichfan

November 14th, 2014 at 4:45 PM ^

You got me threw work with a laugh. For that I thank you and sorry if there is any hurt feelings. I'll do the silly +1 thing whenever I see you post. But I will try some mental gymnastics to defend this staff. Hoke ain't Bill Belichick but he even had Cleveland, and that same team won a Super Bowl he helped build a couple years down the road.

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Mr. Yost

November 14th, 2014 at 7:13 AM ^

7-5 or 6-6 is shitty no matter if you beat OSU or not.

Hoke is done.

He's been done since the Minnesota game...he had to go undefeated and look damn good doing it at that point.

It was always B1G Championship Game or bust. Beating OSU and/or MSU wasn't going to change anything. Hoke set the bar. We all agreed with it. Now he'll be held accountable for failing to reach it by a wide margin.

It sucks to watch someone lose their dream job, but that's the profession he chose. Some people never even get a shot at their dream job, hell most don't. He'll be fine.

But OSU game doesn't change a thing. Neither Brandon nor Hoke was ever going to see 2015 in a block M polo.

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Reader71

November 14th, 2014 at 9:09 AM ^

I think he's gone, too. And before the season I said he would only be fired if we were 7-5 or worse. But to play Devil's advocate, it would show in-season improvement. A four game winning streak including two on the road and one that nobody thinks is possible. And a 5-3 conference record is better than last season's 3-5. At that point, it might rest on the outcome of the bowl game, ala 2010. Unlikely, but...

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tolmichfan

November 14th, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^

The bar is set so low because the people makeing that bar looked at the youth on this team, even before all the injuries, and realized when you have a young team your not going to win all the games. Remeber we were picked to be third in our division at the beginning of the season. What's shocking is that even all the bad that's happened this year we beat Maryland and we will finish right where the people that get paid to make predictions finish.

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UMxWolverines

November 14th, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^

What youth do we have on this team? The entire OL sans Cole have been here 2 or 3 years. Funchess, Darboh, and Chesson are all in their 3rd years. Devin Gardner is a 5th year senior. The DL is all experienced, Taylor is a senior and Countess is a redshirt junior, Bolden, Ryan, and RJS are all experienced, so is Jarrod Wilson and Jeremy Clark. What youth? Youth even when it is true is not an excuse as OSU and many other teams play lots of freshman. 

There is no reason with the talent we have we should be struggling to beat Northwestern and a Penn State team with 40 something scholarship players. 

Also I'm pretty much positive you're the one upvoting your posts. 

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tolmichfan

November 15th, 2014 at 12:30 PM ^

You really don't think other people have a different view then you, for that I pity you. As you grow up you will learn. Do you know that Charles Woodson perhaps the greatest wolverine to ever play, next to Harmon, didn't start as a freshman? It took him to his junior year to be great, and that year he was surrounded by possible the best juniors and seniors that have played defense at Michigan. So when it took THE BEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF MICHIGAN three years to be great, I would say it takes guys who are not THE BEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF MICHIGAN at least three years to play at a high level. Also fun fact in a two year span (last year and this year) we will have graduated 17 players. Stanford who everyone wants to be last year ( a pretty good year for Stanford) graduated 16 players off their two deep. This doesn't even include the guys who play scout team (the backbone of a team, the guys that make the starters better). Another team that had a pretty good team Flordia State graduated 30 seniors last year alone. So the number of players other top teams have been able to field in a single class it took us TWO classes to fill. That is what I mean by our team is young. You win with a strong junior and senior classes. The last two years we either had two small classes, last year, or one incredible tiny senior class, this year. If you don't understand why in big time college football you need to graduate at least 15 players a year to have a balanced team from freshman to seniors then, then your unrealistic expectations of Michigan football will continue to disappoint you no matter who is the coach.

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UMxWolverines

November 15th, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^

It's not really a matter of opinion. Your team is either experienced or they aren't and they're either good or they aren't. This team is much more experienced than last year and they are much worse at football. It doesn't matter how many seniors a team graduates if the coaches can't coach. Example Charlie Weis at Notre Dame.

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tolmichfan

November 15th, 2014 at 2:21 AM ^

To try to make you understand about how young this team is you should do this simple exercise. Teams are allowed to have 85 scholarship athletes spread across 4 or 5 classes depending on how you want to treat redshirts. Let's use 5 because it's more realistic. So simple math tells me 85/5 is 17. That's the average number of athletes you should have in each graduating class. If you loose over 17 seniors to graduation then you have an older team. If you graduate less then 17 you have a younger team. In The last TWO years we graduated 17. This year we graduate 8 and that includes two kickers and a walk on guard. So next year when we graduate 17, we start getting on track with the number of players you want in each class.

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Magnum P.I.

November 14th, 2014 at 10:06 AM ^

Yes, and let's be clear: he has not had a good finish up to this point. He is not on a roll. He beat a shit Indiana team at home and should have lost to a shit Northwestern team. If he beats Maryland and loses to OSU, that's not a good finish either. A good finish involves beating a good team.

All that said, even if he does have a "good finish," like you said, it doesn't matter. There is no finish that can balance the start to this season.

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