Great LA Times article on BCS mess

Submitted by Go Blue Eyes on November 30th, 2011 at 9:41 PM

The LA Times has a great article describing what a mess the BCS is with the basis of the story being that even if LSU loses this weekend they will still play Alabama in the BCS Championship Game.  They compare this to a certain team from Ann Arbor that lost on the road but did not get into the BCS due to whining from the, wait for it...SEC.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dufresne-college-football-20111201,0,3075780,full.column 

 

Comments

ekartash

November 30th, 2011 at 10:57 PM ^

The only reason Alabama is # 2 is because they started the season as#1. If the had started 15th, they would not be where they are right now. Who exactly did the beat this year? Arkansas? Ok fine. The rest of the schedule was a joke. The system is a joke. Bring back pre bcs. At least bowl tie ins had tradition.

Needs

November 30th, 2011 at 11:09 PM ^

Exactly. The SEC is a bad league this year once you get past Alabama and LSU. I'm not sold on Arkansas, they struggled to beat Vandy, Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A/M. Their best win was against a Lattimore-less South Carolina in Little Rock. Auburn should have lost to Utah State. Georgia has played no one since losing their first two (missing all three of Arkansas, 'Bama, and LSU). Florida is terrible. Tennessee is worse, Ole Miss is even worse than that. 

We don't know how good Alabama is because they lost the only game they were challenged in.

Needs

November 30th, 2011 at 11:09 PM ^

Exactly. The SEC is a bad league this year once you get past Alabama and LSU. I'm not sold on Arkansas, they struggled to beat Vandy, Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A/M. Their best win was against a Lattimore-less South Carolina in Little Rock. Auburn should have lost to Utah State. Georgia has played no one since losing their first two (missing all three of Arkansas, 'Bama, and LSU). Florida is terrible. Tennessee is worse, Ole Miss is even worse than that. 

We don't know how good Alabama is because they lost the only game they were challenged in.

Farnn

November 30th, 2011 at 10:58 PM ^

My only issue with Alabama in the BCS title game is if they win, are they really the national champion?  LSU has clearly played the tougher schedule.  LSU and Alabama are 1-1 against each other, with LSU winning at Alabama and Alabama winning at a neutral site.  I just think you end up with many people still thinking that LSU is the better team, the type of situation the BCS was intended to eliminate.

 

If you put an out of conference team against LSU and LSU wins, they are the clear NC.  And if the other team wins, then maybe the SEC was overrated and that other team is the NC.

ccdevi

December 1st, 2011 at 12:13 AM ^

Yes, thats how it works, the team that wins the championship game is the champion, thats why when the Patriots at 18-0 lost to the Giants who had I don't know how many losses, the Giants were the champion.

And frankly, if we are ever fortunate to make the title game and win it, I would all college football fans will respect that and give us our due (although I know that wouldn't happen).

ccdevi

December 1st, 2011 at 12:13 AM ^

Yes, thats how it works, the team that wins the championship game is the champion, thats why when the Patriots at 18-0 lost to the Giants who had I don't know how many losses, the Giants were the champion.

And frankly, if we are ever fortunate to make the title game and win it, I would hope all college football fans will respect that and give us our due (although I know that wouldn't happen).

BeantownWolverine

November 30th, 2011 at 11:04 PM ^

 

I personally think that BCS should add a rule saying "If #1 and #2 teams are from the same conference and have played against each other, #3 should replace #2 in the NC game."

Gundy could have made a better argument. "They already had a shot." is always a fair enough argument, especially when the home team lost. (and Okie State lost at ISU.)

Look Up_See Blue

November 30th, 2011 at 11:15 PM ^

I think if Oklahoma State beats OU they should have a shot at LSU.  I know what I think doesn't matter to anyone.  That would be an exciting game to watch though.  If I was Gundy I would be trying to score 100 points this weekend against OU.

MichiganTeacher

November 30th, 2011 at 11:29 PM ^

I'd agree that the SEC has been the best conference over the past decade.

That said, however, I do wonder if I'd have that same opinion if all the bowl games were played north of Columbus. It's always rankled me that bowl games are much closer to home games for other teams/conferences. I think it makes a difference. How big a difference, I'm really not sure. But a difference.

WolverineRage

November 30th, 2011 at 11:47 PM ^

Here are the arguments that fall apart:

1) The BCS has stated several times "it makes every week a playoff".  OK, by that logic, this would be like if New England won the AFC, and Green Bay beat New Orleans in a close game in the 2nd round of the NFC playoffs.  The NFL decides: "You know what?  Man, that New Orleans sure put up a fight, they might be the 2nd best team in the NFL, lets have them play Green Bay again and screw New England."  It can't be both "every week is a playoff" and "well that was regular season".

2) What happens if Alabama beats LSU?  Does that mean that they are the true champion?  Or, does it mean that because they had a week of practice without a game, they were just a little bit more rested than Alabama?  What happens if a key player for LSU gets injured in the SEC championship game?  The equivalent to this would be if the lower seeded teams in playoffs actually got the bye weeks.  No one would accept this in any other sport.

Some other comments on this generally:

- Nick Saban has now said  some variation of "Teams who don't win their Conference, shouldn't be in the title game."  as an argument against UM in the title game and "Voters should vote for the best two teams" as a way to encourage voting for his team.  Again, with the having it both ways.

- Lastly, assuming Ok. State wins, they don't get in on virtue of their loss to Iowa State?  One could make the argument the team was an emotional wreck in light of the tragedy with the coaches dying in the plane crash.

BlueBlur

December 1st, 2011 at 12:24 AM ^

You had me until you started using NFL and college teams in the same argument. To answer statements on number two, please understand that the 'title' game is a TITLE game. If Alabama ends up playing, and beats LSU; Bama IS the best team in the country. 

C'mon Man! (Berman's voice) you have to be kidding me! Last time I checked this happens in MLB, NHL, and on occassion, the NFL. Teams who play in the NCG will sometimes play once (mindblowing, huh?) before their final rematch. The title game is different from a scheduled game months in advance in more ways than you or I can comprehend. You think the score of LSU/Bama will be remotely close to 9-6? Think again

Nothing is deserved, only earned and IF they meet again, credit must be handed out to both teams.

Wolverman

December 1st, 2011 at 12:25 AM ^

 The whole point to this BCS mess is to see what happens if number 1 plays number2 the two best teams or whatever. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BAMA PLAYED LSU AT HOME they lost. I'm tired of people saying yea LSU and Bama are head and shoulders above everyone else. Was'nt Ohio State head and shoulders above everyone else when Florida beat them? Was'nt Miami head and shoulders above everyone else when Ohio State beat them? The list goes on and on upsets happen... a lot. I don't want to see a bama LSU rematch , we've been there done that . Lsu went in bama house kicked up their feet and watched whatever the hell they wanted on T.V. If oklahoma state wins vs. Oklahoma they should be in the NCG. They had one loss on the road following a tradgedy. What can bama say? There was a sign on Gameday during the Auburn vs. bama game "Only losers want a rematch"

BlueDragon

December 1st, 2011 at 12:35 AM ^

I'd rather watch the Humanitarian Bowl.  The greatest voters in college football seem poised to unleash a Foul championship matchup like Bama-LSU take 2 on the nation.  Two ethically challenged programs.  Two games in the same season.  Only one (or none!) 2011 conference championships between the two of them.

b_jodi

December 1st, 2011 at 12:41 AM ^

Imagine that the BTCG was implemented in 2006. #2 Michigan plays #1 Ohio State in Columbus and loses by 3 points. Then, because both teams won their divisions, we meet the very next week in Indianapolis. Michigan wins THAT game by 3 or more (anyone disagree?). Now who goes to the national championship game? Michigan and Ohio State for a THIRD game in a single season? This is very probable in a system that allows non-conferance champions in the national championship game.

coastal blue

December 1st, 2011 at 12:43 AM ^

in 2006, the Big Ten hadn't won 5 BCS national championships in a row. 

In 2011, the SEC has don just that. 

We need to stop bitching, because we got completely exposed that year and its kind of pathetic that we're saying we should have been in that game after all that happened that bowl season. 

BradP

December 1st, 2011 at 1:03 AM ^

Having a title between two teams from the same division is akin to running an experiment with no control.  LSU and Alabama have both played Tennessee, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Auburn, and each other.  Alabama's eastern division opponents were SC and Vandy, LSU's were Kentucky and Florida.

By placing them against each other, all you are doing is simply confirming the pre-existing biases about the strength of their conference foes.  LSU has convincingly made its case in non-conference play, but Alabama has not.  This means that Alabama did absolutely nothing to make it to the championship but put itself in a situation where it would have been difficult to not make the championship.

While it may not be true for LSU, a plausible list of teams who could be in the championship game if they enjoyed the same situation as Alabama  (needing to 11 teams topped by Arkansas and Penn State):

Oregon, Stanford, Oklahoma St., VaTech, Boise St., Wisconsin, perhaps even Houston, Georgia, or, dare I say, Michigan.

In fact, comparing the schedules now, counting LSU as a loss, the most likely stumbling blocks were Michigan to have played Alabama's schedule would have been Arkansas at home, and road games against Penn State, Florida, and Auburn.

All this speculation is pretty stupid, I admit, but I can say that, after comparing seasons, I am not at all intimidated by any matchup Michigan might get with an SEC team.

 

bouje13

December 1st, 2011 at 4:09 AM ^

Is if LSU had lost to Bama.  With their OOC schedule if they had lost to Bama they would DESERVE to go.  Playing WVU, Oregon already shows how good that they are but as everyone else said Bama had it's chance and hasn't really beaten anyone good outside it's own DIVISION.  

 

Give the shot to someone else.  

South TX MFan

December 1st, 2011 at 6:27 AM ^

I don't know why nobody is giving OkSt any credit. Yes their loss was worse than Bama's but look at the big picture. Bama has beaten only 2 teams currently ranked by the BCS and if OkSt beats OU this weekend that makes 5 for them. Bama's schedule is pretty weak. They have 3 wins over teams with winning records, a PSU team that's nowhere near as good as their record indicates, Arkansas, and a pathetic Auburn team. Everyone talks about Bama's defense being so good. Have you seen the offenses they've played? It's not hard for even an average defense to look good when you play the #116, #114, #110, #107, #101, #82, #72, #71, and #61 ranked offenses in the country. Bama is good but I get tired of the perception that just because they're in the SEC West they're "so" much better than the other 1 loss teams.

mGrowOld

December 1st, 2011 at 7:16 AM ^

The real "bias" is in the number of poll voters per conference. If remember correctly from 2006, the states with SEC schools have roughly twice as many votes as any other region. Of course they are going to dominate the polls and hence, the BCS.

The system is rigged there guys. Equalize that inequity and this problem is largely neutralized.

kgroff531

December 1st, 2011 at 9:53 AM ^

I agree with most that a rematch would be upsetting at some level. However, I wouldn't blame the BCS for this one, as it does happen from time to time. In 1996, the defacto championship game was in fact a rematch. In which the winning team (Florida) had lost to the losing team (Florida st) earlier in the year. Doesn't excuse the Mich/OSU vs LSU/Bama rematch inequity, but just saying...sometimes it happens.