Gray Area OT: Bob Stoops Makes Good Point about SEC defenses

Submitted by steve sharik on October 3rd, 2013 at 9:24 PM

heart Bob Stoops.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9761926/bob-stoops-oklahoma-sooners-challenges-sec-defenses-again

"I still don't know how (Texas) A&M was third in the country in total offense and scoring offense playing all those SEC defenses. I have no idea how that happened," Stoops said. "Oh, they got a quarterback. That's right."

 

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1464

October 3rd, 2013 at 11:57 PM ^

The B1G is 5-4 in OOC games against the other Power 5 conferences.  The SEC is 6-4, with two of its top teams losing.  Oh yeah, and the B1G gets flack for all the close wins.  How'd that SC game go last weekend?  The SEC is probabl still the best conference.  The margin is way smaller than most think.

tbeindit

October 4th, 2013 at 1:28 AM ^

Not sure if you're serious, but if so, you need to take a gander at the schedules.  UConn, Notre Dame, and Cal are a long way from Clemson, TCU, and Virginia Tech.  Until a conference can beat an elite SEC team in a game that matters, nobody can say anything.

One Inch Woody…

October 4th, 2013 at 8:24 AM ^

TCU? Virginia Tech?

Hahahahaha give me a break. VT struggled to beat East Carolina and Marshall. Imagine Penn State losing to Ohio University at the half and coming back to beat them by 5.

Also another thing about SEC defenses... There are only 2 top-20 SEC defenses (Florida and Mississippi State although playing Tennessee can do wonders for you defensive stats) as opposed to 6 top-20 Big 10 defenses. On the other hand, their mediocre defenses are spread across the whole range while the Big 10 has 6 teams with clearly terrible defense.

CLord

October 4th, 2013 at 9:40 AM ^

Still not sure if you're serious.  SEC fans probably use the same stretched logic to laugh at the fact that one of the BIG's two marquees programs barely scraped by uber Akron and UCONN back-to-back.

Again - beat them on the field, otherwise you clown yourself.

ak47

October 4th, 2013 at 10:37 AM ^

Yeah because state has played such impressive competitition on its way to being ranked 1st.  If you matched up the SEC up 1-12 against the Big Ten 1-12 I'd probably say the SEC goes no worse than 9-3, thats still a pretty big gap.

One Inch Woody…

October 4th, 2013 at 12:41 PM ^

I would say that if you throw out Alabama, who is clearly head and shoulders above everyone else, you would be left with Texas A&M, Georgia, LSU, and South Carolina who are all good teams. Then, Arkansas, Florida, Ole Miss. Then Auburn, Tennessee, Vandy, Mizzou, Mississippi State, and Kentucky.

Lets match them up: OSU v TAMU, Michigan v Georgia, Northwestern v LSU, Wisconsin v South Carolina, Penn State v Arkansas, Nebraska v Florida, MSU v Ole Miss, Iowa v Auburn, Illinois v Tennessee, Minnesota v Vandy, Indiana v Mizzou, and Purdue v Kentucky.

I say we could win 5 of the 12 matchups on a truly neutral field.

MGoCombs

October 4th, 2013 at 1:16 PM ^

Big 10 might win 5, but I doubt they win any of those first four or maybe even six. We have good records in bowl games because the Illinois of the Big Ten beat the Tennessees of the SEC. And then we sum all of that up and say that we're on near equal footing. It's just not the reality though because we aren't winning those top matchups on a consistent basis and I definitely don't see us doing it in the scenario posed above, in which we're completely excluding their best team (Bama) and including ours (OSU).

One Inch Woody…

October 4th, 2013 at 3:48 PM ^

No you can exclude Bama because they can simply thrash everyone else in their own conference. They are so much better than everyone else that it doesn't make sense. I think we actually win 3 out of those first 5 and 2 more in the middle. But Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, and Purdue all lose for sure.

MGoCombs

October 4th, 2013 at 1:12 PM ^

The tier-1 SEC teams are simply better than any other tier-1s of the major conferences, and to me, it's not even just the schedules, records, titles, etc. which I know is utlimately why the game is played. I was flipping back and forth last week between the NDvOK game and the LSUvGA game, and the level of talented play was just astoundingly different. Not top 10 vs 10-20 different, but like watching two different caliber leagues. I know this isn't really a good argument, but just an observation that really clicked for me last week. I would always admit that the SEC was the best, but argue that really they're not THAT much better since so much of the conference isn't really good (I still believe that part), and I would reference things like bowl records. I'm just starting to feel like I have been lying to myself. The middle-to-bottom of the Big 10 and Pac 12 teams may be as good, if not better than their typical bowl opponents from the SEC in that range. However, the top 3-5 SEC teams are just simply playing at a different level than anyone else.

sum1valiant

October 4th, 2013 at 6:20 PM ^

I'm not sure if I was watching the same UGA vs LSU game? I saw two good to great qbs, two good offenses, and two terrible defenses. I've literally never seen so many blown assignments on defense in my life. They're both good football teams, but to say they're head and shoulders above anyone is a pretty big stretch. I can think of at least 7-8 teams outside of the SEC that would give both of them a lot of trouble.

Perkis-Size Me

October 3rd, 2013 at 9:38 PM ^

You don't exactly have a whole lot of wiggle room to make fun of a conference that's been wiping the floor with everyone else for the better part of the last decade, not to mention winning 7 consecutive national championships, and primed to win an 8th.

Go beat the SEC and then maybe you can make fun of it.

Fort Wayne Blue

October 3rd, 2013 at 9:52 PM ^

The SEC hasn't won anything. Florida, LSU, & Alabama have. (Oh yeah, Auburn paid 180k for one too).

Miss st, Vandy, Tennessee, ole Miss, Kentucky, Mizzou have been horrible.

Arkansas, Georgia, South Carolina, & Texas A&M have been halfway good.

It's not the conference, but the top 3 teams that a class above.

KBLOW

October 3rd, 2013 at 10:09 PM ^

This^

Any talking point about total, top to bottom SEC dominance is as lazy as it is wrong.  And if one is talking about a conference as a whole, then that is exactly what needs to be considered.

Not saying the B1G is on par with the top teams, but, for instance, NIU could easily take down Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Miss St. and Tennessee this year.   

MGoBlue96

October 3rd, 2013 at 11:12 PM ^

roughly half of the SEC is basically garbage or mediocre just like every other conference. Those teams and their fans shouldn't thump their chests about the accomplishments of other teams in the conference. They do though, and it is dumb as hell. The media wants to act as though the whole SEC is a non-stop gaunlet, but it has it's doormats just like everybody else. The SEC has earned the right to call itself the best conference over the last 7 or so years, but there is a point where the praise can become hyberbole.

Also I would argue the PAC 12 is on par with the SEC so far this year.

MGoCombs

October 4th, 2013 at 1:21 PM ^

I completely agree with what you said, but I think the same goes for Big Ten and other conference fans who beat their chests when a middling-to-bad Big Ten team beats those middling-to-bad SEC teams in a bowl game and claim that there isn't much of a difference between the conferences. Middle-to-bottom, there probably isn't, but most people don't care about middle-to-bottom, they care about the top. And the Big Ten or really any other conference hasn't consistently performed well against the SEC at the top.

inthebluelot

October 4th, 2013 at 9:25 AM ^

One could also argue that Florida is the 3rd best program
In their own state. What will be interesting to see is if Georgia loses this week and they remain ranked above undefeated teams, like us. Then I will fucking snap.

lilpenny1316

October 3rd, 2013 at 10:57 PM ^

Arkansas and Georgia have been good throughout the century and Tennessee did win the first BCS title and were a very good team for years after (2001 Citrus bowl thrashing of UM included).  While we wouldn't be scared of those mid-level SEC teams, the rest of the B1G and other conferences have trouble beating them as well.

MGoBlue96

October 3rd, 2013 at 11:22 PM ^

done anything noteworthy in the last five years. Saying Arkansas has been been on the level of Georgia in the 2000's is also stretching it. They have won more than 9 games(including bowl results) only 3 times since 2000. They have pretty much been average to bad in most years. Their record over that timeframe isn't that different than Sparty.

Like I said, the PAC 12 looks just as good as the SEC so far this year.

SCarolinaMaize

October 4th, 2013 at 10:09 AM ^

But one win this season doesn't make his overall record much better.  He was stating that Georgia has been helping the SEC's resume over the course of their "domination".  Which is not true.  They have beat lesser teams and lost to the top teams, and have had extremely soft schedules the past few years.

befuggled

October 4th, 2013 at 11:08 AM ^

Michigan at 7-6 in 2010 was probably the 5th or 6th best team in the conference that year, behind Ohio State (12-1), Wisconsin (11-2), Michigan State (11-2), Iowa (8-5) and probably Penn State (7-6). All of those teams beat us by 10 or more points.

The bowl game itself is probably something of an outlier, too, as it was painfully clear Rodriguez had lost the team at that point.

ak47

October 4th, 2013 at 11:32 AM ^

Eh Penn state and iowa were probably equal and both were on the road, obviously we weren't good but my point is neither was the rest of the big ten.  The point I was responding too was that the middle and bottom of the SEC is just as weak as other conferences and I disagreed with that, I think from top to bottom the SEC is better than the Big ten, this year the PAC 12 might be better but we don't know yet.  

Swazi

October 3rd, 2013 at 9:49 PM ^

Bob Stoops. Coach in a conference that typically has absolutely pathetic defenses. I think he can shut up until he can actually win a big game for a change.

M-Wolverine

October 4th, 2013 at 4:13 PM ^

But it was this stretch where he got that reputation-

 

37 Sugar Bowl L 14–21 January 4, 2004 2003 LSU Louisiana Superdome New Orleans, Louisiana 79,342 Bob Stoops
38 Orange Bowl L 19–55 January 4, 2004 2004 USC Pro Player Stadium Miami Gardens, Florida 77,912 Bob Stoops
39 Holiday Bowl W 17–14 December 29, 2005 2005 Oregon Qualcomm Stadium San Diego, California 65,416 Bob Stoops
40 Fiesta Bowl L 42–43 January 1, 2007 2006 Boise State University of Phoenix Stadium Glendale, Arizona 73,719 Bob Stoops
41 Fiesta Bowl L 28–48 January 2, 2008 2007 West Virginia University of Phoenix Stadium Glendale, Arizona 70,016 Bob Stoops
42 BCS NCG L 14–24 January 1, 2001 2008 Florida Dolphin Stadium Miami Gardens, Florida 70,016 Bob Stoops

 

bronxblue

October 3rd, 2013 at 9:50 PM ^

I don't disagree with Stoops in the sense that the SEC crows about the defense until they have competent offenses, at which point they argue that their offenses are unstoppable and that's why the defenses are struggling.  There was an immense amount of defensive attrition from the draft/Saint Saban Memorial, so it makes sense that the defenses are going to struggle.  But it should be interesting to see what happens if an SEC team does play for the title and runs into a program like Oregon who can run it up on anyone.

UMgradMSUdad

October 3rd, 2013 at 10:02 PM ^

The loss of Colorado and Missouri didn't really hurt the Big 12, except for the number of members, but Nebraska and especially Texas A&M is directly affecting the Big 12.

LSAClassOf2000

October 3rd, 2013 at 10:07 PM ^

I haven't checked in a few days, but as I recall, Big 12 teams do figure heavily among some of the better scoring defenses in Division I at least this season to date. That being said, I would tend to agree with those who might say that Stoops might have to present a more dynamic, layered arguement for elements of his claim here.