Grant Perry returns per JH

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In addition, alternate uni's coming for at least one game. Happy to see that Grant finally got a plea deal. I still think he will sit at least a game or two. Nick Baumgardner @nickbaumgardner Harbaugh says alternate uniforms are possible this year. Thinks they'll use them at least once this year. Nick Baumgardner @nickbaumgardner Jim Harbaugh says Grant Perry is back working with the team. He'll be in fall camp. His case has not been resolved at this time.

ThadMattasagoblin

June 3rd, 2017 at 12:46 AM ^

Wide receivers should be killer this year. Best since Arrington and Manningham? If we have better quarterback play from Peters/Speight and we land the grad transfer to lock down right tackle, we should be pretty good on O.

ThadMattasagoblin

June 3rd, 2017 at 1:44 AM ^

You have Grant Perry, Kekoa Crawford who looks legit (was pulled early from the spring game), Tarik Black tearing it up, DPJ a consensus 5 star and then guys like Oliver Martin, Schoenle, Nico Collins, Mcdoom etc. Going to be a lot of empty sets.

war-dawg69

June 3rd, 2017 at 7:33 AM ^

Is Harbaugh going to go five wide?. How about four wide with gentry or eubanks spread out, good luck covering that this year. Of course only possible with stellar line play. There is more talent and depth at WR in Michgan football history, lets see what they can do. With good QB play and a line that pass blocks well this is going to be a fun team to watch with quick strike capability everywhere you look. This team is young, but intimidating and should bring about a lot of insecurities amongst other football teams. Anyone not excited about Michigan football this year you need to check your pulse.

Khaleke The Freak

June 3rd, 2017 at 1:16 AM ^

Hope he's done doing stupid things. He plays football at UM, so there's plenty of consensual ass grabbing to be had if he isn't acting like an asshole.

BoFlex

June 3rd, 2017 at 3:14 PM ^

Officially, it was 4 criminal charges:

  1. Injuring an officer - Felony
  2. Resisting arrest - Misdemeanor
  3. Sexual assault (4th degree) - Misdemeanor
  4. Minor in possession of alcohol - Misdemeanor

Unofficially. Perry non-consensually put his hands down a female's pants while drunk and standing in line for a club. Cops were called and Perry ran and in the process injured an officer's hand.

Section 1.7

June 3rd, 2017 at 8:49 AM ^

I expect that as a factual matter, the whole thing was vastly overblown and that the reason they got as far as setting a trial date was because the defense saw it as such.

More than anything, I had said at the time that Grant Perry ought to be in a good position for a Holmes Youthful Trainee Act plea.  He's the right age, and the right sort of defendant (enrolled college student with no priors, good kid, plenty of support, mom is a teacher), etc.  HYTA would allow him to defer any formal conviction for a year and with good behavior during that time, he'd avoid a criminal record.  Many will recall that Frank Clark went the HYTA route after the home invasion/laptop charge.

Problem was, the two (2) CSC Fourth Degree charges.  All CSC charges are generally exempted from HYTA availability, with just a few tricky exceptions for CSC-4th, which is what Grant was charged with.  (You can get a CSC-4th charge for touching the inner thigh of a girl wearing blue jeans if you surprise her with your touch.)  The fact that he was charged with two counts is curious.  (Or maybe evidence of how petty and extreme the over-charging was in this case.)

So it will be interesting to see how any plea in this case is worked out.  CSC-4th is a misdemeanor.  There could be a plea to that misdemeanor, with no more than a fine, public service and probation.  But there might also be a sex offender registration requirement.  My best guess is that because this was a brief shoving match between two combatants (Perry and a woman he apparently did not know) over a place in line on a public sidewalk, somebody is going to think better about any "Criminal Sexual Contact" charge.

The other charges from Grant's night in E. Lansing were a felony/resisting an officer and a minor in possession.  Both amenable to HYTA as far as I know. 

This was always going to be a good case for some skilled defense lawyering.  I hope MGoBloger/lawyer Jonathan Paul weighs in when we know more.

 

The Oracle

June 3rd, 2017 at 9:27 AM ^

I'm curious as to why so many fans are overjoyed that a guy who intimately touched a woman without her permission will continue to be part of the team. I think those fans should ratchet down the moral superiority that seems to exist here. Perry is returning because he is seen as someone who might contribute. If he wasn't, I think it might've been a different story.

Stay.Classy.An…

June 3rd, 2017 at 10:01 AM ^

not sure any of us know the exact details of the case. Besides he "touched" a girl in line at bar. Which could mean so many different things. Did he forcibly grab her crotch or breasts or did he just pinch her butt? I don't think you know. I haven't read or heard anything that would cause me to not want him on the team. Relax man.

The Oracle

June 3rd, 2017 at 10:10 AM ^

I think most of us have never grabbed/touched/groped a woman without consent. Most of us have never become involved in a shoving match with a woman, even when we were young and drunk. I think Perry's actions would be viewed quite differently here if he played for a rival.

Section 1.7

June 3rd, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^

This:

"I think Perry's actions would be viewed quite differently here if he played for a rival."

So yeah; this Board, and the RCMB and the 11W forums (and you can check them all out, right now) are pretty terrible for reasoned discussion on anything concerning a rival player.

For my part, I defended OSU band director Jon Waters, and OSU's expelled QB/WR Torrance Gibson, with the same earnestness and principles that I criticized the expulsion of Brendan Gibbons.

Rest assured that if the alleged victim in E. Lansing had been a Michigan student with the incident occurring on campus, Title IX might have taken Grant Perry out of the football program and out of the University six months ago.

I really do happen to think that as far as being a team disciplinarian, Urban Meyer is beyond reproach.  I find no fault with Harbaugh, or Rodriguez.  And with Brady Hoke, the problem was mosty his incompetent handling of the press and public statements, for a guy who otherwise cared about his players deeply and wanted to do the right thing.  Dantonio; I dunno.  That's a target-rich environment.  Dantonio won't have to make a decision (or three decisions) on the current mess.  (The mess du jour.)   MSU's Title IX enforcers are going to take them out of school altogether.

 

Aero01

June 3rd, 2017 at 1:23 PM ^

"Urban Meyer is beyond reproach" is laughable. I think he's been better at OSU than he was at Florida, and I think a lot of people on this board go ridiculously overboard criticizing him(e.g. believing he's complicit in the Aaron Hernandez situation), but he doesn't exactly have a history as a disciplinarian. If you want some light reading, look into his "circle of trust" at Florida.

war-dawg69

June 3rd, 2017 at 3:40 PM ^

Urban meyer beyond reproach. At first I thought the guy was making a joke. Shit just look at his coaching staff with the addition of wilson who was just fired from another big ten school for questionable stuff. I have always questioned osu's recruiting and with meyer I truly believe they are the new bama. I don't know about johnson but there is no doubt schiano new and maybe even witnessed sandusky in all his glory. Osu has the slimiest staff and by far the most obnoxious, uncooth and nastiest fan base in the big ten bar none. Urban Meyer is the ring leader of all this and it fits him like a glove.

DMack

June 3rd, 2017 at 7:56 PM ^

The one questionable thing that jumps out to me is that he invited a recruit to campus for an OV and the kid got involved with some players which culminated in his being charged with marijuana possession. Never cool. Because he didn't smuggle it on the plane to Ohio.

Section 1.7

June 4th, 2017 at 4:33 PM ^

If you are going to trashtalk millions of people as being "uncouth," on a device that should rightly help you with spellcheck, you'd be best advised to not spell it as "uncooth." I can't think of a single example, since Coach Meyer has been at Ohio State, that would make him a clearly better or worse disciplinarian than any of the last five Michigan head coaches. They have all had similar types of issues, and have dealt with all of them in mostly indistinguishable ways.

Section 1.7

June 3rd, 2017 at 10:46 AM ^

...that has been widely reported, including the Daily and LSJ.  But I haven't seen a .pdf of it.  I always want to see police reports in the original.  Because they are so often flawed.

Like the Taylor Lewan "threatened a witness" police (University of Michigan "Police," not AAPD) report, which was a really careless bit of crap-writing.

The description was that Perry grabbed her "groin region" in the altercation over places in line for a bar.  I think that there was mention of "her vagina" as well, but again I presume that everyone was fully clothed (on a crowded East Lansing sidewalk at just past midnight).

I got the impression that the altercation was verbally nasty (with Perry a full participant in the nastiness, trash-talking and all) but barely physical.

I am just guessing, but it may well be that the two "CSC" charges might be converted to a misdemeanor simple assault and, as I outlined above, then subject to general HYTA provisions.

 

Aero01

June 3rd, 2017 at 1:18 PM ^

I'm not going to comment on what should or shouldn't happen to Perry, because I don't feel like I know enough about what happened, but I don't think it's fair to say he's only getting another chance because he's a "good" player. I think Harbaugh has a pretty good record of letting guys go even when they might be important contributors (LTT in particular, Brian Cole, Ahmir Mitchell). Furthermore, wr is a spot where we're not exactly scrambling for bodies.

Michifornia

June 3rd, 2017 at 9:28 AM ^

GRANTed!!  Now let's Perry this into a strong season.  Could use his experience with the young studs.  Gonna be strong at WR this season.

GO BLUE!!

superstringer

June 3rd, 2017 at 11:12 AM ^

I am squeamish about this. Every young person (and some older) deserve a second chance even after a crime, if they serve their punishment. That does not mean they get a free education at UM and get to play football--that is not a second chance, it could be seen as coddling or valuing skill over character. I kind of wish our standards were higher no matter how good a player he is. We mock Florida and other schools for playing with bad-character guys. We dont have to be BYU with extremely narrow views but UM should draw some lines. Arent we supposed to be the leaders and best?

blue in dc

June 3rd, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^

I would be more worried but we have evidence (see Logan Tulley-Tillman) that Harbaugh seems to try to evaluate these types of issues based on the information he has about the case (which I suspect is more than the info we have) amd not on the importance of the player to the team.

DMack

June 3rd, 2017 at 7:44 PM ^

Sure we are. If he was given probation and completed alcohol classes, paid his fines and did his community service as ordered, should he be reinstated? I think we overwhelmingly say yes. If we know he is eligible for HYTA and there is a plea deal in place and he has already completed everything he would be asked to do, except pay the fines, why not let him resume working, knowing this is done already. Or maybe they have decided to dismiss the charges against him altogether and the team knows but we don't. I do have the utmost respect for the leadership of the program and I'm confident character is important.

bronxblue

June 3rd, 2017 at 7:05 PM ^

My problem is he hasn't even been adjudicated on the charges that would lead to a second chance. Why Harbaugh felt the need to let him back on the team when it's still a month out from his day is just weird. He's suspended until that resolved seems the easiest path here, and anything different just invites issues.

bluesparkhitsy…

June 3rd, 2017 at 11:28 PM ^

Here's the difficulty that always arises in these types of cases: criminal law imposes a different standard than what might make sense for an educational institution, and criminal cases proceed at a pace that might not make sense for decision-making in an educational environment.  If a football team were simply to follow criminal courts on issues such as these, players who ultimately are acquitted would nevertheless be prevented from playing where the cases had not been fully adjudicated.  That's not fair to the players.  On the other hand, the lack of a conviction doesn't necessarily mean a crime wasn't committed, and nothing should stop coaches from exercising common sense where appropriate.  

Bottom line is that you need good reason -- which is some cases may exist separate from a criminal conviction -- to assess the conduct of team members.  Here, absent good reason to think Harbaugh acted unethically, we should give him some benefit of the doubt.

bronxblue

June 5th, 2017 at 2:17 PM ^

I understand how the criminal system works compared to non-judicial tribunals such as what schools employ.  And while I recognize that student-athletes who are acquitted or plea would be "hurt" due to lost games/practices, in very few cases are the inciting incident not something they at least had a part in creating.  I mean, in this case it is without debate that Perry was underage and had a fake ID, got drunk at a rival's bar, and got into some level of altercation with a woman that ended with police involvement.  Everyone does dumb things in college and it shouldn't destroy your life, but Perry wasn't kicked out of school.  Playing football is a privilege, not a right, and so doing a couple of dumb-but-illegal things opens you up to losing that privilege, even temporarily, in the event you are caught.  So I have limited sympathy for him.

I don't mind him being let back on the team; again, he'll get some punishment and then move on with his life.  But I'm just surprised Harbaugh would bring him back to the team so quickly while pending a court date.

MinWhisky

June 3rd, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^

Grant Perry has shown disrespect for women, for the police, and for his teammates (by kneeling during the playing of the national anthem while in his UofM uniform).

I guess we just have different standards.

 

blue in dc

June 3rd, 2017 at 11:34 AM ^

But a number of players at Michigan protested during the national anthem, it is not clear to me what puts you in a position to judge that as disrespectful to his teammates. (In scanning news articles, I could not even find Gramt Perry's name mentioned with respect to national anthem protests). Further, given Harbaugh's shifting views on the issue, he does not appear to adhere to your standards either.

blue in dc

June 3rd, 2017 at 4:38 PM ^

But it is Minwhisky who brought up the anthem not me. As for the disrespecting women and police - there is a pretty broad spectrum of what may have happened here. On one end, we could have Perry being stupid getting drunk in a rivals town and getting in a harmless altercation with some opposing fans and escalated by an overzealous cop.. On the other, we could have Perry grabbing a woman and actively resisting arrest. If it is closer to the first, I think Harbaugh is handling this fine and the disrespecting woman thing is getting blown way out of proportion. It's not to hard to find examples of people who've done much worse. If it is the latter then I think Harbaugh is going to easy. Since Harbaugh does not have a track record of going easy, and I presume he's got much better info than I do about what really happened here, I'm going to trust him on this one.

xtramelanin

June 3rd, 2017 at 11:06 AM ^

are felonies.  if they make it an 'attempted R & O', then it becomes a misdemeanor.  that is a common resolution.  that said, so many times the serious sounding felony of R & O is for totally ticky-tack nonsense and it is used as a bludgeon for some technical offense (even hesitation can be an R & O) that doesn't warrant any type of charge, much less a felony.  

Section 1.7

June 3rd, 2017 at 11:20 AM ^

The reason that I was relatively unconcerned about felonies versus misdemeanors was because both categories can be pled as HYTA deferrals. And in fact even if (and I don't foresee this happening) Grant had to plea straight up guilty to a felony, under Michigan's amended expungement rules, he could request that the conviction be set aside in five years. I just cannot imagine that such a thing is in the works. If Harbaugh is allowing him to come back, it must mean that we will see much-reduced charges and something like a HYTA plea.

Mongo

June 3rd, 2017 at 11:58 AM ^

It must mean that the judge has ruled in favor of his HYTA plea. He will need to succesfully complete probation which will likley entail community service and random substance abuse testing, so if he can stay clean and log-in enough service hours this summer/fall he will never have a criminal record.