WichitanWolverine

August 11th, 2017 at 8:06 PM ^

I think you hit the nail on the head here. Almost all of the posters that I saw who wanted him off the team were basing that off her interview/testimony. They were outraged because of how mentally affected she was.

Maybe that's the case, and things were as bad as she said, or maybe she's a die-hard Sparty fan trying to get him off a rival team. We don't know. But the kid went through the legal system and came out the other side. I personally think he should be allowed to play.

sdogg1m

August 11th, 2017 at 11:08 PM ^

The University of Michigan football program is not in debt to any of its athletes. Michigan signed the top receiver class in the country and thus is not hurting for talent at the position. Even if they were it is still better to instill a lesson into a person who is found guilty of breaking the law rather than letting them off. Grant Perry has received no punishment following a guilty plea. He was not sent to jail and he gets to play football, how is this going to improve him?

I know the probation period is meant to be a deterant but I am not certain if it is the correct punishment. I hope the courts and Coach Harbaugh are right as they know more about Perry than I do. I would have liked to seen him suspended from play for a year to coincide with his probation period.

crg

August 12th, 2017 at 7:18 AM ^

Probation is a punishment, not a warning. I knew someone who got a DUI (first and hopefully only offense), but the probation was a major strain for them. On top of that, fines and legal fees were a punishment all their own. Perry is paying the price now for being a dick and an idiot (for at least a few minutes one night) and Harbaugh is probably adding to it (hopefully). Just because he is still on the team does not mean he'll play immediately either - I would be ok having him sit for a few more games, but being kicked off might be excessive.

MotownGoBlue

August 11th, 2017 at 8:38 PM ^

08/04/17 - WR Antonio Callaway, who was cited for possession of marijuana in May, isn't expected to miss any playing time. Callaway pled no contest to possession paraphernalia and had to pay court costs. Coach Jim McElwain said "I don't anticipate it," when asked if any players would be out for the opener against Michigan. Callaway, rated No. 44 for the 2018 draft by NFLDraftScout.com, was a preseason second-team All-SEC pick by the league's media.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1003128&draftye…

We were always going to face him. McElwain attended the Nick Saban School of Discipline.

Kilgore Trout

August 11th, 2017 at 8:37 PM ^

Based on the victim's statement, he comes off as an entitled jerk and a bad guy. I don't pretend to know what the right thing to do is but I am very sure that if this was a OSU receiver and a UM student and the incident was in Ann Arbor, the opinions of this board would be much different than they are today.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

August 11th, 2017 at 8:59 PM ^

1. JH punished him last year with multiple games and Rome.
2. JH undoubtedly told him the next strike he is gone, consistent with his legal diversion.
3. JH has previously been judicious - either LTT preemptively gone, Ahmir's long suspension or Glasgow's grandma project

WolveChip

August 11th, 2017 at 9:16 PM ^

Spot on. JH has demonstrated when it comes to off the field shenanigans he is going to be extremely cautious. GP has been suspended a long time and the CJ system has completed its assessment and rendered its opinion here.

I have no problem with this decision and the people comparing it to MSU or the SEC are off base. This is not a jail to practice field or half game suspension against a cupcake situation.

The kid deserves his punishment, and it's been decided by people much closer to the situation than we are that he also deserves to be reinstated.

nerv

August 11th, 2017 at 11:41 PM ^

I think Perry's crime was quite a bit more serious than LTT's. Im personally not going to be much of a Grant Perry fan anymore. I hope this is a situation that he learns from and comes out a better man. But Im rooting for someone else to be our guy in the slot this year.

I don't believe there is anything wrong with either being ok with this decision or being unsettled by it. People are going to feel how they feel and that is perfectly alright.

The Oracle

August 11th, 2017 at 11:54 PM ^

With Perry on the team, Michigan has no right to claim the moral high ground. It's just another big-time college football team that prioritizes winning games above all else. And please stow this phony "Michigan Man" crap, unless the term is meant to describe someone one who intimately grabs a much smaller and weaker woman and then tries to get away from the police to avoid answering for his actions.

big john lives on 67

August 12th, 2017 at 1:25 AM ^

Your comments above are completely ridiculous. You cannot punish a man for sexual assault with no evidence, so much so that a prosecuting attorney, judge, and all of the witnesses concur that no sexual assault was committed.

A Michigan Man stands for integrity - always has, always will. And JJH is the prime example of such a man. I stand by his disciplinary decisions. They have never been about wins and losses. They have always been about the good of the university, the program, and its players.

In fact, the cowardly decision would be to dismiss Perry from the team despite the lack of a case against him. There are plenty of slots ready to step into his place. Wins and losses would be completely unaffected. Thank goodness Harbaugh and Manuel are not that cheap.

big john lives on 67

August 12th, 2017 at 2:18 PM ^

The core of the matter here and the dismissable offense is the sexual assault charge. Label the other offenses how you will, but they can be chalked up to temporary young man stupidity. Punishable as they have already been, but not to the level of dismissal or sitting out a whole year.

If there was any kind of solid proof of the sexual assault. He would be gone, as it should be. Any objective source to the case agrees this was not a sexual assault. Also, had there been credible evidence it would never have been allowed to be part of a plea agreement - justifiably so. In addition, as many other have already pointed out on this blog, the circumstances of the situation - crowded area outside of a bar with many witnesses - do not point to a SA.

In summary, no case for dismissal.

The Oracle

August 13th, 2017 at 12:31 AM ^

If a Michigan Man makes a stupid mistake, as the pro-Perry crowd likes to portray it, does he own up to what he did and sincerely apologize, or does he attempt to minimize his actions and refuse to even look at the victim while issuing his pseudo-apology?

reshp1

August 12th, 2017 at 8:02 AM ^

You know what else isn't "Michigan Man?" hanging a kid out to dry to satisfy the moral outrage of some fans. Jim Harbaugh and his staff went into this kid's home and told his parents they would take care of their son, they would have his back, and that they would mold him into a man. Now this kid's made a mistake, an awful one but not a irredeemable one. To cast him aside to preserve some imaginary moral high ground is going against those promises. I'm glad we have a coach that sticks by his players, is willing to let them work themselves back into the good graces of the team, despite the pearl clutchers and sanctimonious ninnies.

Perkis-Size Me

August 12th, 2017 at 12:32 AM ^

Well he'll probably be the most ripped guy on the team with how much Harbaugh will make him run the stairs.

All I know is that if this were an MSU or OSU player we'd all be ripping into those programs for admitting This kind of kid back into their ranks, so I'm going to just keep my mouth shut on this one. There's no such thing as the moral high ground anymore. I don't doubt Harbaugh did his due diligence, but let's not pretend we can claim any ivory tower holier than thou bullshit over any other program anymore.

big john lives on 67

August 12th, 2017 at 1:38 AM ^

Michigan's lofty perch on the moral high ground is very secure despite your weak analysis. The core of the matter here is the sexual assault and was there evidence. All agree there was none beyond a "he said, she said." You cannot punish a man for something that a court was unwilling to. It is that simple. It is the foundation of our country and society.

The coward's way out here is to toss a man aside with no proof because it makes all of the sanctimonious blowhards out there feel better.

It is amazing how ready we are to throw our most basic rights aside. Very frightening.

BayWolves

August 12th, 2017 at 7:16 AM ^

Yeah you said it. Mere emotionalism and allegations are enough to get you convicted by a jury these days because everything is now about feelings rather than facts and due process. This generation coming up will sacrifice all of their constitutional rights just to feel
like they did the right thing.




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grumbler

August 12th, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^

Dunno why so many people here are so willing to tell me what I would say if this was an OSU plyaer, or whatever.  If you'd genuinely feel that differently about a kid who ran afoul of the law because of the team he plays for, then you just have to live with that.  If you are claiming the moral high ground and saying that you wouldn;t do so, but the rest of us would, you are an ignorant ass.

In any case, stop trying to tell me what I would do in the case of some hypothetical you whip up.

And if you think Michigan is just like any other program in terms of discipline, well, that's your prerogative. I will laugh out loud if you tell me that this was the case that demonstrated that to you, though.

bacon1431

August 12th, 2017 at 2:15 AM ^

I don't like this at all. While the judge and even the victim deemed his contact with the victim was meant to be intimidating and not sexual. It may not have ended up sexual, but intimidating acts against women are often precursors to sexual assault. I do not feel comfortable with Perry playing at this point in time. He also had a fake ID, was drinking underage, lied to the cop about whether he had ID, refused a breathalyzer and tried to flee the cop. I find it weird that so many people find it difficult to believe the girl just because she's an MSU fan (supposedly) but are just fine with believing Perry's despite all he did on top of putting his hands on her.

I think he should be held out of action for as long as he's on probation. That's just me. I don't think he committed sexual assault, but I am also very concerned about his actions that night and it makes me question how he intersects with women in private.

Putt4Birdie

August 12th, 2017 at 11:19 AM ^

Everything is speculation on
How bad it really was and possibly exaggerated or not by the victim.

I will trust the criminal justice system and Warde Emanual on this one
And hope everyone can move forward with their lives.