blue in nola

August 11th, 2017 at 7:55 PM ^

I rarely post here, but I really appreciate yours. I feel it was quite a measured, thoughtful response. I would also add this: in the current internet and social media world, with this thread being a prime example, perry has been judged and been subject to plenty of commentary about his character and what should happen with his future by people who have no idea what happened, or what kind of young man he is, except for what is reported in the press.

Like many first offenders, especially young ones, the prosecutor agreed to a deal whereby he completes certain terms, including probation, and as long as he doesn't screw up again, he's fine. I can guarantee you, if there was more to this, the charges would've been more excessive, and then Jim would've had to take more drastic action.

I would also place a significant bet that his punishment from Jim is more than we will ever know. I knew several players during my time at UM (2000-2004) that had to deal with Lloyd's punishments for infractions, that he would never report to the press, and that were significant and really made them work to stay on the team. While I can't guarantee that Jim does the same, he follows the same line from bo in how he runs the program, and I would guess that perry has had to work his butt off to get back.

I hope that this YOUNG man made a mistake, he has learned a hard lesson, this lesson will be "iron sharpening iron," and he can move forward with his life and with making positive contributions to our team, both on the field and off

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lorch_arsonist

August 11th, 2017 at 7:32 PM ^

Reading the victim's statement, I would have felt better, if he was unable play until he had completed probation. Still, I acknowledge that I have less information than those making these decisions. Hopefully their decision is based on that information and not simply on the interests of the football team.

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The Fugitive

August 11th, 2017 at 7:55 PM ^

Graham Glasgow had some legal troubles too when JH arrived.  He was not allowed to have a drop of alcohol and had to pass a breathalyzer daily.  As coach said, it was out for public consumption if he messed up so the onus was on him to stay sober.

Like you said, it's case by case and not everyone is immediately kicked off the team.  I belive Brian Cole was given multiple chances as well before coach's hands were tied and had to boot him.

I think Jim has made sound dsciplinary decisions while at UM so I will also support this decision.  

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BTB grad

August 11th, 2017 at 7:41 PM ^

If an SEC school, OSU, or MSU reinstated a player who had done the same, everyone on this board would be calling the school out, and rightfully so.

 

I don't feel good about this at all...

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crg

August 12th, 2017 at 7:05 AM ^

I wouldn't be quick to yell "what right do you have to judge him". Aside from having a law degree (which basically means one has studied precedent and procedure), and winning an election or receiving an appointment, what "right" does any judge have to determine the punishment for another? Do they have a better moral compass than anyone else simply because they sit on the bench! Theu are there as the representative of the people's net judgement, so anyone's opinion is equally valid as the judges (though not with the force of law behind it).

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BayWolves

August 12th, 2017 at 7:22 AM ^

Having a judge decide based on facts, law, and due process is far better than letting a group of hysterical social justice warriors decide the case on irrational emotionalism and spite for the very legal system that would protect them in the case of a lack of evidence.



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crg

August 12th, 2017 at 7:31 AM ^

In principle yes, but that really depends on the judge. You can find judges at all levels that have a range of perspectives as diverse as the general public. Ideally, a case would decided identically regardless of who is on the bench, but that is not reality (though a better alternative might not be found).

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Qmatic

August 11th, 2017 at 7:46 PM ^

As a social worker, I can recall being grad school (at U-M) and their being an overwhelming majority of people who pretty much expressed that men who commit crimes against women do not deserve a second chance. As crazy as it sounds, there were people more sympathetic of murderers than crimes against women. That's just the landscape we live in. A lot deals with the perceived and evidential institutional power men hold in society. At UM they preached about PODS (Power, Oppression, Diversity, and Social Status), and a man committing an offense like this flys in the face of the idealistic Social Justice warriors today. That's just how it is.

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Whamrma

August 11th, 2017 at 7:51 PM ^

Sack up gents, we need a veteran WR. Name 1 school in America with a moral compass regarding its football team. I'll wait....if JMFH thinks he is owed a 2nd chance, then I am good with it. Sure, he will run steps until he pukes, and rightfully so. But if he can help us win titles, get his ass in the slot.

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WichitanWolverine

August 11th, 2017 at 8:59 PM ^

That's fair, and a lot of fans feel that way. But I'm my opinion, if we're going to take that route, then we should stop thinking we'll ever compete for another national title. It's hard enough to win without cheating (I do believe Michigan follows the rules), but if we're going to be morally superior to our competitors then we're really fighting with one hand behind our back.

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Blue in Paradise

August 11th, 2017 at 7:56 PM ^

the public has come in terms of assaults against women. 

I graduated from a public school in a middle-class suburb of Detroit in 1991.  I saw guys (not football players / athletes or whatever, more like burnout types) do much worse things to girls in my school and literally nothing happened to them.  We won't even get into the fights and other debauchery that guys did to each other.

The two worst ones were (1) I saw a guy push a girl into a row of lockers and knock her down on her face (books went flying and all) and (2) I saw a guy grab a girl's breasts from behind in the middle of the lunch room.  There was certainly no police involvement and I don't even remember the guys getting suspended.

Looking back, I wish I would have been strong enough to stand up for those girls but I was a little guy and the troublemakers were in packs so I probably would have just gotten my ass kicked - today I would take a stand anyway but as a 14-17 year old I just didn't have the mental fortitude.

My point here is that we have come a long way in the last 25 or so years and while we still have further to go, I am proud that these types of actions are no longer considered "boys being boys" or something that women just need to ignore and move on.

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DCGrad

August 11th, 2017 at 7:58 PM ^

For those who don't like this. Was it the victim's statement that made you feel this way? If so, there are a lot of gullible potential jurors on the board.

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Blue542

August 11th, 2017 at 8:02 PM ^

Which victim? Did he not also resist arrest and run from the cops, one of whom was injured in the pursuit? Defending this clown is absurd. Kids have been booted from Harbaugh rosters for less, so why Grant Perry? What's the reason this kid and his low ceiling is worthy of making the program look no better than the others routinely under attack on these boards among this fanbase

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DCGrad

August 11th, 2017 at 8:12 PM ^

Jim Harbaugh and the judge in the case disagree with your assessment. He absolutely screwed up but he also was suspended 3 games, spring practice and the Rome trip. Based on both his team punishment and the legal sentence, I take no issue with him being fully reinstated.

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Blue542

August 11th, 2017 at 8:21 PM ^

Everyone is certainly entitled to their position, but to pretend Jim Harbaugh is operating on any higher moral compass than other coaches in football after this is pure bias and hypocrisy. To preach that men of character crap is just jargon to distract from a bunch of 10-3 seasons, at this point. And for what? Grant Perry?

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ST3

August 11th, 2017 at 10:59 PM ^

And he got 60 hours of community service for 3-4 seconds of inappropriate touching while fully clothed (I'm assuming, it was late night, mid-October in Michigan.)

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