Glen Masons Hot Wife

November 25th, 2012 at 2:27 PM ^

Navarre improved drastically when we first brought in Lefty as QB coach.  He did a good job prepping a true freshman henne into a competent QB as soon as year one.

It would be great to have him work with Shane.

It's not going to happen though.  Borges doesn't believe in QB coaches.

Space Coyote

November 25th, 2012 at 9:56 PM ^

But I don't think there is a huge difference between having one or not. My preferance would be to have one, but to claim it's idiotic not to or something along those lines goes to far. It's about equal to "I prefer a 4-3 to a 3-4", both can work, it's all preference and coaching style.

Electron Erectshon

November 25th, 2012 at 8:03 PM ^

Not going to debate your opinion re: Loeffler's abilities as a coach. I think you'd find the UM community divided. Auburn fans probably aren't divided (http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/10/auburns-struggles-point-directly-to-…) . It's a worthwhile discussion b/c I could see Hoke bringing him back on staff when he leaves with Chizik, though maybe not until 2014.

Some relevant statistics are in order. I couldn't find where "QB rating" was tracked during the Navarre years, but here's his career stats at UM sans QB rating. Also, here's what it looked like for Henne, Tebow (2009 only) and Brantley (2010 only). Also including numbers re: Temple Total Offense (2011) and Auburn Total Offense (2012).

John Navarre (2000-2003 -- Yardage and Completion% improvement. Big 10 Champs 2003, 10-3)

http://stats.ath.umich.edu/football/cmaster.php?pkey=15

Chad Henne (2004- 2007 -- Yardage and Rating drop-off. Co-Big10 Champs 2004, 9-3. 0-4 against OSU.)

 

Career Statistics
  Passing Rushing
Year GP GS Comp Att Pct Yds Lng TD Int Rat. Att Yds Avg Lng TD
2004 12 12 240 399 60.2 2743 69 25 12 132.6 55     9 2
2005 12 12 223 382 58.4 2526 54 23 8 129.6 54     18 1
2006 13 13 203 328 61.9 2508 69 22 8 143.4 47     14 0
2007 10 8 162 278 58.3 1938 65 17 9 130.5 24     9 0
Total 47 45 828 1387 59.7 9715 69 87 37 133.9 180     18 3

Tim Tebow (2009 only -- QB Rating drop-off)

 

    Passing   Rushing
Season Team GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD INT Sack Att Yds TD
2006 Florida Gators 14 201.7 33 22 66.7 358 5 1 0 89 469 8
2007 Florida Gators 13 172.5 350 234 66.9 3,286 32 6 13 210 895 23
2008 Florida Gators 14 172.4 298 192 64.4 2,747 30 4 15 176 673 12
2009 Florida Gators 14 155.6 304 213 70.1 2,895 21 5 25 217 910 14
  Totals 55 170.8 985 661 67.1 9,286 88 15 53 692 2947 57

 

John Brantley (2010 only -- QB Rating dropoff)

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15582/type/college/john-brantl…

Temple Total Offense 2011: 63 out of 120

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=…

Auburn Total Offense 2012: 115 out of 120 

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1027/p3

Conclusion: Body of work is a mixed bag, IMO, but the trend doesn't appear to be a favorable one.

blueheron

November 25th, 2012 at 3:59 PM ^

It might have something to do with all the future NFL QBs he coached at Michigan. Sure, the cause-and-effect relationship in those situations isn't always clear, but he probably had something to do with their development. Seemed like a good guy, too ...

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Also, he was associated with the golden, pre-Rodriguez era at Michigan when the team ran a PRO-STYLE (!!!) offense and never lost any games.

/s

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Aside: I'm curious about "baggage." Care to elaborate?

Gene

November 25th, 2012 at 5:58 PM ^

Yes, that explains Michigan's total inability to run inside as well as difficult in pass protection.

No, that does not excuse Michigan's insistance on trying to run inside repeatedly, nor telegraphing whether it's a run or pass by whether Denard was in or not.

Normally you want to play to your strengths, not your opponents. When you minimize your strengths and maximize your opponent's, you can't really credit your opponent for your failure...

turd ferguson

November 25th, 2012 at 2:19 PM ^

I can feel a stupid conversation developing here, but here's the quote from Green:

“They’re not going nowhere,” said four-star running back Derrick Green in an interview with Auburn Undercover. “They said, ‘We plan to be here.’ That’s what they told me. They plan to be here and they’re not going anywhere.”

Now I have no idea if "and they're not going anywhere" was part of what the coaches told Green or just what Green believes, but parsing language with these kinds of things is silly.

dnak438

November 25th, 2012 at 2:13 PM ^

From CBS:

O'Brien compiled a 40-35 record in his six seasons as coach with a 22-26 mark in ACC play. This year, the Wolfpack finished 7-5 overall and 4-4 in conference games. They placed third in the Atlantic Division behind Florida State and Clemson.

O'Brien was quick to point out that the last three seasons of NC State football were among the winningest in program history, but the swift move from athletic director Debbie Yow suggests the Wolfpack want to be competing for ACC championships.

That seems unlikely, unless the ACC is gutted further...

PurpleStuff

November 25th, 2012 at 3:35 PM ^

I would have thought the same thing, but looking at their other coaches, Amato and Dick Sheridan both had better records than O'Brien.  Mike O'Cain was a little worse at 41-40 (O'Brien is 40-35) but this isn't a case of the guy getting axed being way better than the school's recent history a'la Mason.

The new guy may suck, but I still think Cal has the edge after firing their best coach (by far) since Pappy Waldorf was in Berkeley in the 1950's.