Gardner's passes

Submitted by massblue on

I watched DG's pass plays against App, OSU and UN (from last year) this morning.  There is a noticable difference in DG's mechanics and, more importantlty, he is not putting that much zip on his passes this year.  This raises a question and a potential concern.

First, is he trying to impove accuracy by trying not to throw as hard as last year?  Second, will that kind of approach work against teams with better DBs?  For example, just check the first pass to Chesson and the last first two TD passes to Funchess.  They were accurate, but were lobbed.  Would those three passes be completed against a team with better coverage?

 

AR-15

August 31st, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^

screen passes don't need to be rifled at the receiver. it looked like Devin was given easy pass plays all game and he only missed one throw, everything else was on target so Idk what there is to complain about.

KBLOW

August 31st, 2014 at 1:03 PM ^

Isn't lobbing it up to Funch a really, really good idea?  He's rarely, if ever, going to have a problem with a DB getting in his way.  

Bodogblog

August 31st, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^

Funch, sure.  But I saw the same thing the OP did - the outs to Chesson and Darboh floated much too long.  Better opponents are going to snatch those up.  My guess is that he has a stonger arm, but when he really zips it he loses accuracy. 

I just hope he realizes against Sparty those won't be open, so throw it out of bounds. 

grumbler

August 31st, 2014 at 1:45 PM ^

I see what you are saying, but also think that this may have been intentional.  He could see how open the receivers were, and pulled off velocity to increase the chances of them catching it.  I only say "may" have been intentional, though.  I don't know.  But I wouldn't fret until I see evidence that this is an actual concern.

DonAZ

August 31st, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^

In one of the "countdown to kickoff" videos there was a clip of Nussmeir coaching Gardner on throwing "over" linebackers rather than trying to throw "through" them.

I'm no QB coach, but I suspect that's a sign of skill maturation ... knowing when to zip it vs. when to lift it over with some touch.

MichiganSports

August 31st, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^

He wasn't really throwing into tight windows so i have no problem with the touch he put on the ball. Thought they were situationally appropriate, which is a sign of growth. Anyways im just glad we are checking into runs now.

EGD

August 31st, 2014 at 1:13 PM ^

Let's say you've got a wide-open receiver who's a head taller than the guy trying to cover him. Do you (a) throw a nice, accurate ball that he can easily snatch, or (b) rifle a bullet pass that might be off-target or bobbled but which really shows off your arm-strength?

Blue in Seattle

August 31st, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

Devin saw Funch get open and was too excited when he threw the ball and it ended up behind Funch. The two lobbed TDs you point out should have been lobbed. Second TD Funch rubbed the defender off on a pick, and ended up in space with no one around within 15 yards. Devin had to side step in the pocket and consciously altered that throw because there was no defenders around and he wanted to throw without getting completely set. Third TD was a jump ball play to the tallest, jumpiest person on the field (this year, all hail Gallon rocket boots). Now compare that to Shane's decision making on his interception, throwing a bullet through a window that was never there.

charblue.

August 31st, 2014 at 1:57 PM ^

for accuracy in this game, and surpassed Brady's TD marks in the process. You want to criticize and critique his thowing motion, too? The kid can play. He throws better than any of those qbs from Buckeyeland, Pryor and Miller. And he just makes plays. 

This guy is the prototypical quarterback in this day and age of the game, and Michigan fans have always craved his style. And now you are complaining because he lofts balls to wide open receivers or throws them soft so only his receiver can get them? He was13 of 14 yesterday, one off perfection. 

JamieH

August 31st, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^

They were thrown WAY WAY better than anything I've seen a Michigan QB throw in a long time.  There is clear coaching intent in those throws.  They were thrown to a very very specific spot so that the receivers could take a step back, wind up, and accelerate upfield through the ball and be running almost full speed when they made the catch.

 

Yeah, I think Nuss has Devin throwing the ball differently.  And I think it is a GOOD thing.  He's throwing like a QB, not just an athlete gunning a football around. 

Zoltanrules

August 31st, 2014 at 1:40 PM ^

Nothing too complicated for the entire offense including the O-line. Coach Nuss passed his first test with flying colors. If they can execute similarly against a better opponent, Notre Dame, a 10 win season is suddenly a realistic expectation.

 

kb

August 31st, 2014 at 1:44 PM ^

he only threw about 16 or so passes, most of which to receivers who were very wide open. Next week will tell a lot.

blueblueblue

August 31st, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

"They were accurate, but were lobbed.  Would those three passes be completed against a team with better coverage?"

Why do you assume DG is not adapting his passes to a) his receiver, and b) the coverage? In other words, why do you assume what you saw in yesterday's game will be what you see in every game? You take what the defense gives you, and that "you" includes your receivers. 

mm92.

August 31st, 2014 at 2:24 PM ^

He threw for a gazillion yards against Ohio State, and missed on one pass yesterday. I think you might be reaching a little bit.

michiganman01

August 31st, 2014 at 5:50 PM ^

He didnt zip any passes because he didnt have to. When the guy is wide open you just have to get it to him. I dont think his arm strenth is gone from last year.

Wolfman

August 31st, 2014 at 7:11 PM ^

they are thrown with finesse because that is the way they have to be because the flight of the ball is normally up and dropped in like a hand grenade.  You'll see his arm strength on seam passes, skinny posts, etc.  Not to worry.

CodeBlue82

August 31st, 2014 at 8:12 PM ^

Timing, accuracy and touch make the ball catchable by your guy. Great quarterbacks use velocity as needed to make it uncatchable by a defender and help the receiver.