April 20th, 2010 at 5:21 PM ^

Dammit. My post-modernist roots want me to type that some kids never get a break. My existentialist leanings want me to type that some kids never learn.

Either way, I wish this didn't happen.


April 20th, 2010 at 5:25 PM ^

I was one click away from having a personalized authentic jersey from the MDen with 33 and Boo Boo on it last year. Man I'm glad the price made me change my mind. Truly sad, he was one of my favorites.


April 20th, 2010 at 5:28 PM ^

that a former Wolverine would follow Maurice Clarett's path. I truly liked BooBoo and thought he would adjust his poor attitude and make rational decsions but I was wrong. Hopefully this was one of many smart decisions this coaching staff will make. I just hope the rest of those good decisions happen on the field.


April 20th, 2010 at 5:33 PM ^

It's too bad. I always wonder how kids get a shot to play on one of the best teams in the country and waste it. Everyone else would die to have that chance, and he just threw it away.


April 20th, 2010 at 5:40 PM ^

He's a habitual offender and I feel no remorse for him. He's no different than any other criminal and hearing people say "that's sad" is disgusting.


April 20th, 2010 at 5:54 PM ^

Why is it disgusting? I understand your point that he's a criminal, but that doesn't change the fact that he was once part of the Michigan family. It's pretty sad to see a young kid's life, which was totally going in the right direction not too long ago, spiral down to the point that he has to rob cab drivers and delivery-boys.


April 20th, 2010 at 5:57 PM ^

there is no empathy here or justification, just sadness at how remarkably fast this guy's life has gone downhill. its sad that he obviously did not know that most posters on this board would give both nuts to run out of that tunnel and slap the banner much less play on game day. its sad that he wasted so much of what i could never come close to even smelling for such trifling, temporary desires of money and drugs. its sad that he decided to throw away a young life so full of potential. its sad the he will spend the next fifty to sixty years with such severe regret. i wish he would have asked someone.

it is inexcusable but it can still be sad.


April 20th, 2010 at 5:57 PM ^

Young, talented kid earns an unlikely chance at success in life with a free education at Big Ten school. Kid blows his chance when he is unable to adapt to his new life. Ends up in jail for ridiculous crimes, probably throwing away his best chance of prosperity in the process.

What, pray tell, is the proper response? A Drew Sharp-esque sense of smug self-importance, based on the assumption that our own shit doesn't stink? An arrogant assertion of superiority over this kid, as if no one from our circle of friends and family has ever fallen from grace?

Cissoko brought this on himself. Everyone knows he f*cked up. But it is sad nonetheless. Why must we take this opportunity to collectively rub his nose in the shit he has created for himself?


April 20th, 2010 at 6:04 PM ^

Ah sad isn't what I would call it at this point. Maybe after the first or second time but he has shown that this is how his life will play out. Just because he put on a Michigan uniform we feel remorse for the kid. He's a criminal and I could care less at this point. He took away someone's sense of security while doing their freaking job. He's a POS and should be thrown in a cell for a long time. He'll probably end up murdering someone before all is said and done if he keeps going down this line of progression.

Steve Lorenz

April 20th, 2010 at 6:09 PM ^

If you want to look at people who continually disregard the law and make stupid choices in a sympathetic light, be my guest. But labeling those who don't choose to feel sorry for them as arrogant or self-important is ridiculous.

Edit: Also, "unable to adapt to his new life"? For every college athlete that screws up their opportunity like he did, there are at least ten who probably came from similar circumstances that don't fuck it up. I mean, you're borderline making excuses for the guy.


April 20th, 2010 at 6:36 PM ^

Boo Boo gets no excuses, from me or from anyone else. He screwed up his life. He threw away a golden opportunity to avoid this exact type of life fail. I feel no sympathy for him.

My point was simply that this was an epic waste of talent, and of a life. That's sad. It's sad the same way watching "Intervention" is sad.* And to shoo Cissoko into the mental shredder with a "good riddance" without another thought doesn't do anyone any good. He's a cautionary tale, not an aberation (caused by one kid's personal makeup) that hasn't happened before and won't happen again.

I wasn't calling the poster arrogant or self-important. But Drew Sharp is going to write his usual "Let us bring scorn on this fallen person, because his flaws have been exposed" article. And that article will just go to show further that Drew thinks himself morally superior to everyone (Cissoko, Demar Dorsey, RichRod), and that he can only demonstrate his superiority by poking fun at the flaws others expose. And that's a dick move.

*BTW, what a depressing-ass show. Seriously. Don't watch it.


April 20th, 2010 at 7:19 PM ^

Kudos to you, sir.

I had a similar discussion with another poster when Boo Boo was booted off of the team.

I was willing to defend him then, but after this many subsequent offenses it can no longer be done. The kid has fucked up enough. There is no need to pile on.

I wish him well, and I hope that he eventually finds a good path to follow in life, but it truly is sad.

Tha Stunna

April 20th, 2010 at 7:03 PM ^

I'm sad for someone who has screwed up his life and done some idiotic things. If that disgusts you, then I'm happy that I and others posted, because that's a pretty pathetic attitude. I'm not justifying the terrible things he's done, but that's hardly a prerequisite for feeling sad about a general mess.

Steve Lorenz

April 20th, 2010 at 8:02 PM ^

Narrow worldview? Because I am not sad about somebody who continuously makes stupid decisions? Give me a break. He's no different than Feagin, Harrison or any other player who has rightfully lost the privilege they had of slapping the banner and playing in Michigan Stadium. They don't get my sympathy or my sadness. Instead of having any feelings towards them, I'll direct them in admiration towards guys like Jason Avant who came from shit and did something about it.

As far as Dorsey is concerned, the last I checked he wasn't a convicted criminal in the eyes of the law. If he becomes one though, he'll be as gone as the guys I named above, and should be.

Edit: Not to mention that THIS is Dorsey's chance.


April 20th, 2010 at 8:19 PM ^

Wait, has cissoko been convicted?

I want to make this clear: expressing sadness that he fucked up is not giving him my sympathy, I dint understand how you fail to grasp this.

FWIW, Dorsey has aknowledged doing what he was charged with, since. So, basically, you are ok with him because he robbed someone at gunpoint BEFORE he got to Michigan?

I think it's sad that you can't hope these people turn their live around, that they are irredeemable criminals from here on out.

Steve Lorenz

April 20th, 2010 at 8:40 PM ^

..I guess I don't really see anywhere where I say you are being sympathetic towards him and not're the one who keeps bringing that up in other parts of this thread...but whatever. I also don't remember where I wrote anything about believing that people who commit crimes are irredeemable criminals. If he serves his time, or does whatever, and turns his life around...good for him. I am indifferent either way. I just know that I am definitely not sad about the situation he has put himself in.

If you want to label me as somebody who kicks puppies and trips old ladies...again, be my guest. Casting me as some prick because I am not sad about somebody who screws up is your choice.

Also, comparing Dorsey, a young high schooler at the time of the crimes he was not convicted of, to an adult who screwed up while on the team, was given an opportunity to earn his way back and messed it up yet again is pretty apples and oranges IMO although I can see where some might disagree on that.


April 20th, 2010 at 8:30 PM ^

Boubacar has yet to be convicted.

So, by this post I gather that, essentially, you praise those who come from "shit" and are able to make something of themselves (Jason Avant), and are unable to feel any sort of sadness for those who come from "shit," but are unable to succeed (Boo Boo). At the same time, those who have come from "shit" and have yet to fuck up at Michigan (Demar Dorsey), you are willing to give a free pass, until they either fuck up, or succeed.

That, to me, is very sad, and if you lack the capacity to understand why it is sad, then I truly do feel sorry for you.

Steve Lorenz

April 20th, 2010 at 8:43 PM ^

I truly feel sorry for people who constantly make huge assumptions.

I also truly feel sorry for people who can't just accept that some people don't look at situations the same as they do personally.

You guys can continue to attack my character all you want. I just know I haven't attacked your viewpoints once because I understand them. I just don't agree with them.


April 20th, 2010 at 9:01 PM ^

Your post was idiotic. There is no way around it.

You can't say, "I truly feel sorry for people who constantly make huge assumptions," and then make a statement like, "Give me a break. He's no different than Feagin, Harrison or any other player who has rightfully lost the privilege they had of slapping the banner and playing in Michigan Stadium."

That is hypocritical on so many levels.

You can just lump Boo Boo in with two other people, in other unrelated cases, and then say you feel sorry for me for making assumptions?

Mind boggling.

I also love you are offended by me "attacking your character" based on the things you've written, and yet you fail to make the connection to you attacking Boubacar, based on the accusations against him.

I love how you say you haven't attacked our viewpoints, when debate is just that, attacking another person's opinion with regards to a subject, and trying to show how your point of view is more valid than theirs. By mocking me with the, "I truly feel sorry" comment, you've lost whatever high ground you claim to have had by your, "I haven't attacked" comment.

I understand where you are coming from, but I find your ability to shit on a 20 year old kid who fucked up, and then to defend that position with no remorse, sad.

Steve Lorenz

April 20th, 2010 at 9:21 PM ^

A. According to you, I am shitting on him simply by not being sad about his situation? OK. Have I attacked his character once? No. All I have said is that I am not sad. If you want to play semantics and say he hasn't been convicted yet when he's clearly guilty after being caught red-handed, then go ahead. It will only be a matter of time.

B. Look at the posts you've put on here. According to you, I would no doubt be cheering him on if he led the Big Ten in interceptions and blah blah blah just because I don't feel sad for him. The thing is, you don't know that. You have no idea. You are assuming (incorrectly, I might add).

C. I also never said I was offended by what you said (assumption), because I am not. But based on all the assumptions you have made about how I feel about a whole plethora of things when all you know is that I am not sad about the situation he's put himself in, it is clear you are attacking my character. That's fine.


April 20th, 2010 at 9:47 PM ^

See, the problem with saying someone else is assuming, as you have done, is that you are making an assumption yourself.

You have consistently failed to grasp the irony of your posts. I've tried my best without trying to bashing you over the head with this fact. See post #81 if you want an example of me trying to teach you irony.

You've failed to grasp any of my hints at your hypocrisy. I have tried my best. I'm sorry that I have failed.


April 20th, 2010 at 10:06 PM ^

I would try, but the fact that you've been unable to grasp anything so far is indicative of the fact that you are either unwilling or unable to accept the fact that your comments, with regards to Boubacar, and your subsequent reactions to other posters responses to your thoughts, have been hypocritical.

Steve Lorenz

April 20th, 2010 at 10:13 PM ^

Please explain to me what I can't grasp. Please explain how hypocritical I am because I refuse to feel sadness for someone who does screw up while admiring somebody who doesn't.

If you want to disagree on my differing viewpoint about Dorsey relative to Cissoko, that's fine because I already stated that I understand how one might not see it the way I do. But please...spare me the holier than thou attitude. It's annoying.


April 20th, 2010 at 10:59 PM ^

The fact that you have expressed anger with me, for "attacking your viewpoint" and attacking you, while in he same breath attacking Cissoko, by equating him with Feagin and Harrison by saying, "Give me a break. He's no different than Feagin, Harrison or any other player who has rightfully lost the privilege they had of slapping the banner and playing in Michigan Stadium," is laughable.

You can't tell someone that they have a holier than thou attitude and then make baseless assumptions about others, comparing unrelated cases to one another, and not expect to be called out on your hypocrisy for hating the fact that I'm judging you based off of your actions of commenting on this thread, while you judge Cissoko for his actions of being accused of things he has not yet been convicted of.

Steve Lorenz

April 20th, 2010 at 11:23 PM ^

You're going to go the semantics route, as I would expect, because he technically has not been convicted, although he will be because he was caught red handed. Figures. Did you ever stop to think that part of the reason I don't really feel sad towards this guy is because he's continually been in trouble with the law and has continually messed up the chances he's gotten? Sounds baseless!


April 21st, 2010 at 2:23 AM ^

is you are a CONSTANT know it all on this board who feels the need to place your opinion over others' constantly. you are not able to contribute without pushing your authority on the issue, be it with who you were neighbors with (thanks for reminding me in the other thread) or elsewhere. it makes you unlikeable.


April 21st, 2010 at 2:34 AM ^

Yes, nearly three years of membership and I've just hit the 2000 point mark this month and I'm a CONSTANT know it all on the board.

I've never pushed authority on anyone with regards to who i know. If you can parse that out of any statements i've made, cool. Your stalking of me in the past probably doesn't aid your case much.


April 21st, 2010 at 9:52 AM ^

Are you sure you're not stalking me?

You just *happened* to post on two dead threads where I was having a discussion with someone else that had died, and then just *happened* to find my posts out of all the posts on those threads, and then you just *happened* to respond to me?

Seems to me like you're the one trying to pick a fight and cause commotion, but I guess I'm just being a know it all again. =/