First Thread Post - PSU Victory Thread

Submitted by bluepalooza on

I, like many of you, have the same consternation, concerns and struggle with some of the things we have seen on the field this year, both good (Don Brown D) and bad (O Play).  I am still thrilled JH is our head coach and wouldn't trade him for any coach in country.  I am still not over the MSU loss. That said, Michigan controls it's destiny for B1G championship and National Championship.  NOT saying we have a great chance or will win it all.  Just saying, some big goals are still attainable. Believe it or not, Oline looked different today in a good way.  Less confused, more stout in run and pass pro.  I believe the Oline hit bottom against Purdue and is ascending. Rather than start another thread of what's wrong with this position or that play call.  I thought I would make an attemp to spin some positive going into PSU.

I am not the moderator, so I can't control who posts what.  Although most will not give Michigan a chance to win in HV, I think M chances of victory are much better than most think and here is why:

1. Defense - Let us not forget how PSU was throttled last year by Don Browns D.  I also think Michigan's D is tailor made for the PSU offense.

2. Coaches - I think Jim Harbaugh is a better coach than Franklin.  I think for some reason, some teams and coaches are in the heads of the opposing team.  Much like Dantonio and MSU is in Michigan's head, I think Michigan's in PSU's.  MSU was a bigger underdog to lose than M will be vs PSU.

3. PSU coming off bye week.  Most teams off bye week seem to lose their edge (see Michigan).  That EXTRA week to prepare seems to do more damage than good.

4. Pressure is on PSU.  National exposure, game day crew, heavy favorite, white out.  If the game is close, look for PSU to play tight.  If Michigan D is playing strong, frustration will build on PSU.

5. PSU squeaked by Iowa and have played a very soft schedule.  This will be the best D PSU will see all year.

6. Oline IS getting better.  Just need Okorn to hit a few recievers and O could roll.  Got to believe we can get Purdue Okorn.

7. PSU has a LOSING record in white out  games 5-6.

8. Michigan is battled tested THIS YEAR much more than is PSU.  Overtime, National Opening Game (FL), close games and better competition.

Again, not being pollyanna.  But, most give M almost a zero chance to win.  I think M chances are much better than most.

OBVIOUSLY there are many reasons PSU will win.  This was a thread geared towards trying to propose a positive narative. There are loads of threads and posts to the negative narative. And I understand and agree to some. It's just that, I can't see any scenario where Michigan gets blown out in any game this year.  Not one.  I know it's tough for some to say or think anything positive.  I just get tired of reading the same threads saying the same thing.  Even when they are right. And yes, I am guilty of saying and thinking many of the same things.

RemembertheGatorBowl

October 15th, 2017 at 9:40 AM ^

To point #8 most of these PSU players did win a close B1G Championship Game and play USC close so I don’t know if I’d say we are more battle tested.

I do think our defense gives us a chance though.

DrewForBlue

October 15th, 2017 at 10:05 AM ^

We were legitimate, large underdogs?  That can free a team up to play their best, especially a young one.  

The coaches aren't stupid, know what they are up against, and obviously are saving some clever running plays (even though they showed a few of those cards near the end of Indiana).  

A full week for HOPEFULLY a new starter at QB....it's possible, man.

KungFury

October 15th, 2017 at 9:46 AM ^

The schedule is soft. USC is not as good this season as people thought, and I think penn state could be in the same boat. A top 10 team masquerading as a top 4 team.
But man does the talk of our goals and a big ten championship still being on the table give me flashbacks to Hoke. Not being mathematically eliminated and having almost no chance are not the same thing, but this offense sure make it look like we fit into one of those..

tjohn7

October 15th, 2017 at 9:47 AM ^

Our defense will keep us in most games but it's imperative for this offense to put together sustained drives in the second half this week. I could see us trailing 13-7 or so at half, but if that defense is on the field most of the third and fourth quarters I just can't see the fatigue holding off. We need to win this in a low scoring affair.

allintime23

October 15th, 2017 at 9:49 AM ^

PSU is the most overrated team in the country. Stop the run. Rush the passer and be physical while establishing the run on offense and we could possibly upset them. I think Harbaugh is totally in franklins head and will continue his domination over him. That said, the coaches will really need to step up though and abandon things that have lead to keeping teams like Indiana in games. Like Chris Evans on big downs and some of the predictable third down blitzes that leave the middle of the field open for the QB to run. As for the MSU loss, it’s over and done. In some ways it’s not even that bad. They were gift wrapped a win and almost managed to blow it. If they had any kind of team or offense they win that game buy 3 scores. Kind of like their game last night. Their secondary is terrible and unfortunately we couldn’t take advantage of that. Delusional MSU fan is in the rear view until next year. On to happy valley to ruin some dreams that really deserve to be ruined.

ldevon1

October 15th, 2017 at 9:51 AM ^

we don't control our own fate. State has the tie breaker (head to head), but I feel very confident that if we somehow win out, we will be in great shape.

SpikeFan2016

October 15th, 2017 at 1:03 PM ^

I don't know how stupid people can be to think MSU will have "two or more" conference losses after they just beat us. 

 

They are 3-0 currently. 

They play:

  • @Rutgers (Win)
  • vs. Maryland (Win; Terps have gotten blown out to several teams, have heavy injuries and game is in EL)
  • @ Northwestern (Very likely win; NW has proven time and again to be terrible this year and Evanston is the easiest road environment to play at in the Big Ten)
  • vs. Indiana (Heavy favorites; probably the best chance to lose of this group of 4, but MSU still should be significant favorites at home. 

Those 4 wins bring them to 7 in the Big Ten with two remaining tough games:

  • vs. Penn State (MSU likely will be undefeated in the Big Ten, at home and have everything to play for. PSU will likely be licking their wounds coming out of Columbus. Dantonio is a much better coach than Franklin. I'd say MSU has as much, if not more, of a chance to beat PSU than they do to lose to a team like IU. 
  • @ Ohio State (Toughest game on their schedule; that said, Spartans have won twice in a row in Columbus and Dantonio has always given Meyer fits. He's 2-3 vs. Urban, but 2 of those three losses were by 1 point in years when MSU was 6-6 and 3-9. Don't count them out). 

Overall, 7-2 is the most likely scenario for MSU, but 8-1 is at least as likely as 6-3. 

Night_King

October 15th, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^

Four top ten teams lost this weekend. Two lost last weekend (including us). Anyone who says we have no chance is crazy. Anything can happen in CFP. We’re going to need our DE’s to contain the outside and it’ll be incredible watching Bush vs Barkley.

1VaBlue1

October 15th, 2017 at 10:00 AM ^

I saw, probably, five plays that just missed yesterday.  Just "" missed!  I really believe what we saw on offense was 5 (or so) big plays that didn't hit because of a dropped pass or a slipped step.  They were close to have a few more TDs on the scoreboard - but they didn't happen.  At some point, luck has to change, right?

Lets hope it changes Saturday night.

I dumped the Dope

October 15th, 2017 at 10:04 AM ^

if we can stop Saquon Barkley without selling out to the run.

But, I feel like we already play defense that way....the corners already play on islands so the safeties can commit to run stopping without being a huge liability on passes.  We have the speed of Bush and really speed around...ends are solid so far.

I can see PSU's offense would be stone simple...run SqB until the other team has 9 players in the box, then play-action pass...

Our offensive woes seem to be (over) simply centered around our inability to convert 3rd downs regularly.  Last year's team seemed to throw it to Darboh and Butt to keep the chains going and extend drives.  Loss of Tarik Black, and McKeon doesn't seem to be able to ditch linebackers quite as well has us in a hole that makes us look mediocre.  We have to find a set of plays that will work and are "go-to" plays to convert 3rd downs.

I liked what I saw in the run game yesterday.  I am not sure if this translates to any other opponent with a pulse but I'd like to think it does in some ways.  If there is any correlation of past success to future results then again I like our chances.

Also, its going to be loud in Beav Stadium...probably loudest of the year when playing offense.

freelion

October 15th, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^

He is an asshole but knows how to pull upsets. You play conservative offense, suck down the clock, and wait for a chance for a big play on special teams or defense. Perhaps we can get McSorley frustrated or impatient and force him into costly mistakes. We have stuffed Barkley every year but he is so versatile that he will be hard to completely shut down. Hopefully Franklin has one of his mind farts and gives us a chance to take this game. Just don't have confidence that our offense will capitalize when we get the chances. Mainly because of Pep Hamilton who I think is lost.