Fascinating (and long) read on corruption at Auburn

Submitted by BoMoLloRo on November 19th, 2010 at 11:50 PM
With the expected caveat that this comes from the internet (and sorry to diverge from UM FB per se), a friend just sent this to me - It is a long read on the current Auburn situation, but extremely fascinating and makes all the hullabaloo over the last year regarding M's practice violations seem like a tinklely afterthought. If any of this is remotely true, I am glad I am not an Auburn fan. Link is http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/messagetopic.asp?p=22778676

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treetown

November 20th, 2010 at 12:08 AM ^

Thanks for posting this - while we wait for the story to unfold, it has a sick sweet smell of corruption. It has all of the little stupid mistakes and dumb errors which sprinkle through real life.

When something bad goes down, often there is a strong push to blame everything on one person - make that person the scapegoat and claim he/she is the source of all evil. The nice part of such an act is that once that person is gone, it seems to clear everyone else left behind. In truth, corruption usually takes a whole environment to help foster and promote it. Behind every coach or booster who has been exiled, fired or banned, there is a whole network of handlers, 'helpers' and others.

Bryan

November 20th, 2010 at 12:32 AM ^

This goes way beyond Cam. They say the FBI, while monitoring the Bingo mess in Montgomery and also investigating the misappropriation of TARP funds by Colonial Bank, uncovered many, many things. Such things include guaranteed winning slot machines for AU players at Milt’s (Colonial Board member, AU Booster) Casino, unmarked ATM cards issued to AU players from Colonial Bank (Bobby Lowder-AU Board Member and Booster; Pat Dye-Colonial Board member, AU employee and Booster), forgiven loans to families, friends, donors, etc.

If true, big time jail time, loss of SACS accreditation which means expulsion from the SEC, huge financial implications for AU, removal of Dye’s name from the field and so on.

Yooper

November 20th, 2010 at 12:40 AM ^

I never imagined it could be this bad. The fun part will be watching this spread. Does anyone think that only Auburn is involved in this stuff?

AMazinBlue

November 20th, 2010 at 12:50 AM ^

all of this.  Maybe the SEC is not really the "best" football conference.  If they all played on a level playing field, the Big Ten might just kick their asses to the curb.

I bet the Freep is wishing they were in on this story.

ats

November 20th, 2010 at 2:59 AM ^

f'ed as in worse than USC.

really really f'ed as a new example of the death penalty, The 11 team SEC, and AU no longer being able to function as an academic institution (they were already on probation from their accreditor).

Also if it is all true, then you are looking at more than the NCAA.  So many fellonies committed.  For example, according to this posting, the Cam money was laundered across state lines which is never a good thing (money laundering is bad, k).

bjk

November 20th, 2010 at 10:53 AM ^

via Bama fan. It mostly concerns only the proximate Cam-gate features, as seen from an apparent Fed enforcement (non-FBI?) insider (and rival fan base) point-of-view:

My opinion.... the way Camgate went down Reply
No insider....just a lot of time spent working on Federal Fraud cases

- Miss St talks with Cecil Newton and reports to the SEC office. Cecil keeps shopping Cam.

- SEC talks to the Barn/Compliance Office...they look into it and say there is nothing to it. Dont think for one second the higher ups at the barn dont know how things are done....thats why Chizk was hired to start with! (keep it down home cuz) (AU Family). *Cam and others flock to the barn and you have your top 5 recruiting class after losing 5 of 6 and going 7-5 with a no name coach.

- SEC office takes their answer at face value hoping this thing just goes away after the Barn is 7-4/6-5 this year. Problem is the barn kept winning and as Brando would say on CBS threw a fly in the ointment of the BCS.

- Miss St is pissed but knows they did what they were suppose to do as a SEC member. (Slive screwing with them about the cowbells didnt help the way Miss St felt either)

- FBI is working on a much bigger case into political gambling scheme and through all the phone calls gets all this information about how corrupt the Barn really is. (this is why the FBI is involved) They are/were building a Federal RICO case on the gambling/Colonial Bank and in the process got tons of wiretap phone calls of the arrogant idiots at the Barn (McGregor, Dye, Trooper and God knows who else) talking about buying numerous players....and how they were doing it. (notice I said Players not one Player)

- FBI contacts NCAA and ask do they know what the hell is going on at the Barn?! (this is why the FBI is involved) they were in on it first...not the NCAA. **The FBI got this info as a bonus during their investigation (it fell in their lap and they passed the info along to the NCAA). This is why this case is moving so fast as opposed to the Reggie Bush case. They giftwrapped this case for the NCAA! This is also why both agencies wanted to talk to Bond, Rogers and company to match up the stories with the wiretap phone calls.

- NCAA thinks the mighty SEC office and Slive have put this to bed and nothing was going on. (this is why Slive and SEC office look like idiots and are taking the wait and see...they did not have good info...let everything play out stance) They sat on it and did nothing! Slive and the SEC office is trying to figure a way to save face and its not gonna happen.

- The barn idiots on the wiretap phone calls decided before the Ga game that they were DONE....the gig was up..... and as one insider has stated....they might as well go down in a blaze of glory....SEC/BCS.

* It boils down to this....the barn went into a panic mode and saw what was coming for the next decade with Saban.... after we go 12-2 with a couple of #1 recruiting classes, then have the perfect season 14-0, Heisman, Butkus, Rose Bowl/BCS. The old guard at the barn could not bare that and sold out at all cost!!!!!

****I will tell you that I work with the FEDS all the time on cases and will say that....they have all their ducks in a row before going after people!! They are not into losing court cases. The US Attorneys office will not take the cases unless it is a slam dunk! They have the goods on the barn already. Hammer time for the NCAA on the Barn!

It is gonna be fun to watch the rats at the Barn turn on each other to save their own asses and to watch the SEC office do the same!

More will come out this week but.....after we beat the barn next Friday the floodgates will open and the rats will start running for cover!
Sit back and enjoy!!!!
Roll Tide!

AMazinBlue

November 20th, 2010 at 1:09 AM ^

In a nutshell:  If it's true...hell if it's only 10% true,  Auburn will make USC look like Jay walking.

And the NCAA went afte us for Practicing too much???  PLEEEEAAAAASSSEEEE!!!

bjk

November 20th, 2010 at 11:11 AM ^

he's been snapped at enough to keep shares of his thoughts on the subject to very economical levels.

OTOH, did anyone catch the link in the above-linked story to The Tuskegee News? Their masthead motto is "Tis [sic.] Better To Light a Candle Than To Curse The Darkness;" I get the idea that this is a crusading newspaper, but probably rather small. The gambling scandal includes people in elective office. The owner/operator's opinion piece linked above ends:

Corruption, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I know each one when I see it. Hope you do, too. Election day is almost here.

Plegerize

November 20th, 2010 at 1:36 AM ^

Yikes. Those are rediculous accusations. If those end up being true, my God, we have our next Death Penalty on deck.

They better hope they go all the way this year, because they might not have something nice to enjoy for a long time.

ChicagoB1GRed

November 20th, 2010 at 1:54 AM ^

title of my my post back in August, here it is:

Another poster featuring Mandel's article calling out Ole Miss' coach Houston Nutt as a "dirty" coach got me thinking about which programs have a permanent stench.

To me, you can divide them into two groups, the perennial successful programs like Alabama that constantly cheat and get caught but continue to prosper, and the flash-in-the-pan that have temporary success (Arizona St) or usually suck (Illinois) even when cheating.

My nominations for the all-time "powers" that cheat:

Alabama, Oklahoma, FSU, Miami, Auburn....all been at it a long time.

Then there's the successful programs that excel but do it the right way...we all know who we are.

Wolverine In Iowa

November 20th, 2010 at 2:04 AM ^

It's insane how much money is involved with collegiate sports.  These clowns in Alabama (and all other big-time schools) make tons of cash off of wining and dining clients at football games.  Deals are closed because Bubba got Jed drunk and fucked the weekend Auburn beat LSU.  It amazes me that people like the boosters in this case can sleep at night, knowing how dirty they are.

Auburn is in deep, deep trouble here, and if these allegations pan out (which I'm certain they will since the FREAKIN' FBI is involved!), it's lights out.  A full athletic death penalty is a real possibility here.  Hell, the whole institution may go down in flames.

Maximinus Thrax

November 20th, 2010 at 11:03 AM ^

I spent some time with a lobbyist who worked in a highly lucrative industry.  He also helped arrange business deals.  Basically the way things went was this:  sporting event, good meal with drinks,  titty bar (Bouzuki's, if you know what I mean), next day closed door session, then a repeat of the prior day's festivities.  Then, viola, a deal was done.

Seth9

November 20th, 2010 at 2:46 AM ^

If what is alleged at tigerdroppings.com is true, then this would arguably be the biggest off-the-field story in NCAA history. Some of the most loaded statements/accusations are:

  • Auburn boosters (and members of their Board of Trustees) have engaged in a massive pay-to-play scheme for years that has involved many players on the Auburn football team.
  • The Auburn Board of Trustees is incredibly corrupt and its members are engaged in large scale criminal conduct.
  • Auburn players were given cards that allowed them to win at slot machines at a casino owned by an Auburn Trustee.
  • Mike Slive, SEC commissioner, is a subject of FBI investigation.
  • As a result of this criminal and widespread corruption, Auburn will be kicked out of SACS and the SEC.

This is some serious stuff. So it's fair to look at the sources. The problem is, they aren't really credible. blueTunaTiger, an LSU fan, heavily relies on Alabama fan sites and message boards for the more damning accusations. So this is being fueled by the message boards of two of Auburn's rivals...

I do give the creator of the linked thread credit for compiling all of this and it does make a fascinating read, but I'm very hesitant to believe any of it because there's nothing in the way of direct proof for the major accusations and the sources are biased. I'm not saying that what's written is false. On the contrary, most of it sounds rather plausible and sensible, considering that it explains why the FBI is investigating these people over something that seemed rather trivial from MSM coverage (a failed pay-to-play scheme isn't really worth their time; massive corruption at a public institution is). But I'm very hesitant to believe such loaded statements as Slive being in the FBI's crosshairs or that Auburn will be kicked out of the SEC.

To conclude, here's how the author prefaced the thread:

NOTE: I PREFACE ALL OF THIS BY SAYING I CANNOT NOR HAVE NOT VERIFIED ANY OF THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN. WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS A COMPILATION OF, AND INCLUDING THREADS AND DISCUSSIONS ON TIGERDROPPINGS.com’s SEC RANT AND OTHER INTERNET SITES REGARDING CAM NEWTON, AUBURN UNIVERSITY’S AD, AND AU’S BOARD OF TRUSTEES. PLEASE ENJOY. 

Rasmus

November 20th, 2010 at 7:37 AM ^

The only real question is how and why is the FBI involved?

21-year-old Cam Newton will go into the NFL draft after this season, and eventually the NCAA will take some action with regard to the apparent Mississippi State scandal, most likely declaring Cam Newton ineligible, thus vacating Auburn's 2010 season.

Other than that, an FBI investigation in and of itself doesn't mean a whole lot, because (as far as I know) we don't know anything about what they are interested in. They could easily just be involved as a courtesy to the NCAA as they look for evidence of money or business going across state lines from Auburn boosters to Cecil Newton's enterprises.

The idea that allegations of massive corruption far beyond a wink-wink with Cecil Newton explain the FBI's presence, however, is just wishful thinking. It is not difficult to make bullshit sound plausible and authoritative when you know who's who.

Huma

November 20th, 2010 at 9:22 AM ^

I think the FBIs involvement is a clear signal that there could be (or probably is) massive corruption. I don't think they get involved unless there is a big corruption / racketeering case to be won (obviously unless it involve nat'l security).

Seth9

November 20th, 2010 at 5:42 PM ^

That said, there's no guarantee that Auburn is involved. For all we know, the FBI was investigating something that a bunch of Mississippi State boosters were doing or something that some Auburn boosters were doing unrelated to Auburn athletics. Or anything really.

Auburn could be a cesspool of academic and athletic corruption. Or it could be even worse than the average SEC school*. We have no way of knowing which is true.

*I couldn't resist taking a dig there, but the point stands.

Maximinus Thrax

November 20th, 2010 at 10:59 AM ^

Your question reminds me of those who asked "Why is congress getting involved in the Roger Clemens doping scandal?".  I also wondered about that myself.  However, the alleged facts in this case are quite different.  There are many possible violations of Federal (and State) laws here.  Were payments made to Cam Newton and his family deducted on any federal and state tax returns as business expenses (deductible business expenses are those encountered in one's normal line of business.  Paying college football players is not an expense in any line of business).  Were payments received by various parties properly recognized as income on their federal tax returns?  Does rigging a slot machine to give payouts to an individual violate any state and/or federal gaming laws?  Shouldn't we worry about athletes getting involved with individuals involved in gambling (Ed Martin anyone?)?  There are very real possibilites of criminal violations here, unlike in Roger Clemens' case, where his only real legal violation was lying to a bunch of politicians.  The involvement of the FBI in this case may not be entirely fatuous.

bjk

November 20th, 2010 at 11:23 AM ^

is apparently investigating mis-appropriation of TARP funds by Lowder's Colonial Bank as well as bribery of politicians overseeing gambling in Alabama by figures whose ties are both to gambling and to that bank, and incidently to AU athletics.

GOBLUE4EVR

November 20th, 2010 at 3:47 AM ^

above, if any of this is true auburn is screwed... but how hard will the NCAA come down on them??? the NCAA has pretty much said they will not go the death penalty route again and i can't see them doing that to a big name school like auburn... but since the FBI is involved, and we all know how that goes, the NCAAs hand might be forced...

st barth

November 20th, 2010 at 8:57 AM ^

I was of the impression too that the NCAA would probably never use the death penalty again.

However, the timing of events in the Auburn case might force them too.  With an investigation taking place while the season is still in play, you'd expect Auburn to do the honorable thing and bench Newton and at least appear like they are trying to be cooperative.  Instead, it looks like Auburn is going to go for broke and try to win the mythical national championship on the field regardless of what the investigation turns up (and, maybe when you're already in this deep, I don't blame them).  But that is really flaunting the NCAA and, from a long term perspective, I just don't think the NCAA can allow that precedent to happen (i.e., winning a championship when you know you are cheating and have even been caught in the act).

Personally, I'm kind of hoping that Auburn does run the table, wins everything...and then has it all stripped away in the most embarrassingly public fashion.  That would be a huge blow to the SEC and all of their bullshit publicity.

Maximinus Thrax

November 20th, 2010 at 9:24 AM ^

The way Auburn/Chizik/Newton are flying the self righteous indignation flag is going to blow up in their faces.  You would really expect nothing less from Chizik and Newton, but as an institution Auburn really needs to take a step back from the "he said, she said" and evaluate the risk that something very sleazy may have happened, and the potential long-term risks for the program.  Newton is most likely gone after this year, so he doesn't care what happens to Auburn.  How much can you really care about a school that you attended for one year, that may have had to pay you several times my own salary just to get you there?  Chizik, he probably doesnt care about Auburn's long-term future either.  He's really only been there like what, two years?  How many bankers during the financial crisis set up deals they knew would blow up, just to secure fat bonuses?  I have this image of their AD sitting at his big oak desk, with a bunch of fat, bald old boosters sweating in grey suits and chomping cigars and making vague threats against him should he decide to sit Newton. 

._.

November 20th, 2010 at 7:51 AM ^

Auburn coaches and boosters that were around when Auburn got probation the first go round, are again involved heavily with the current football operations.

Boosters have used an elaborate scheme of paying players and/or family through casino winnings and/or ATM cards linked to a banks slush account. The bank and casino were/are run by Auburn boosters. Former coach and boosters were also important figures at this bank.

The bank is no longer in operation, but the CEO of that bank is now in charge of finance at auburn.

The FBI is really involved because the Casino has also had some improper dealings with corrupt politicians in Alabama, some of which have already been indicted.

The FBI's wire taps were really for the Casino and politicans stuff, but they discovered all the Auburn stuff as colatteral damage.

The former coaching staffs were not deaf to the situations, but the boosters were not able to control them well enough, and thus, a 5-16 coach at Iowa State with former ties to the universties under-the-table workings was hired to become the boosters new puppet.

NCAA and SEC front office may have been asked to be quite by the FBI, and that may be the delay in all the rulings on Cam Newton. FBI wants to bust Casino people and didnt want Cam Newton affecting their work while they compiled their evidence.

This may run on for quite some time, but when the dust settles, Auburn will most likely at least have to vacate any wins and titles acquired this year. That is probably the best Auburn could hope for at this point