Smoked Gouda

May 14th, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^

I don't know. Maybe I'm biased but a player of Harris's skillset seems like he would really flourish in Beilein's offense.

He can create his own shot, is a phenomenal shooter above the break, and having additional offensive weapons around him opens up his game.

MSU is taking a big time step back in the coming years. The loss of Payne and Gary Harris will probably bring them back to the bruising, blue collar type offense they've historically ran.

Hopefully Harris goes blue, and stays away from the tire fire that is West Lafayette.

(Would rather see him there than EL though).

Raoul

May 14th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^

Here's the key quote, which comes from an IndyStar article, not UMHoops:

[Harris] visited Purdue on Monday and plans to visit Michigan and Michigan State once he can get it aligned. After that, the 2012 Lawrence North grad may be ready to make a decision.

"Those are my top three, basically," Harris said of Purdue, Michigan and Michigan State, adding that he's still hearing from a few other schools, including Auburn and Indiana.

Rickett88

May 14th, 2014 at 12:33 PM ^

Is it weird that I feel less worried about MSU and more worried about Purdue being the other schools in the top 3 with Michigan? I feel like Purdue can offer more playing time and he can be the man, where Izzo will always be the man at MSU.

 

Ty Butterfield

May 14th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^

Well if it comes down to him going somewhere else then I hope it is Purdue. He seems like he would be a great fit for Beilien's system and it would probably be the best way for him to improve his game as well as his chances of getting drafted.

UMaD

May 14th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^

I'd love for him to come to Michigan, but with Caris and Irvin possibly returning (unless they go to the NBA) his role at MSU is more clear.  Frankly, they need him more than Michigan does.  They haven't been recruiting SGs while Michigan has taken some in every class.

MSU and UM can both sell past player's sucess (Harris/Stauskas).  Sounds like it'll come down to "fit", which can just mean playing time in some cases.

Hope I'm wrong though.

Blue In NC

May 14th, 2014 at 1:12 PM ^

"MSU and UM can both sell past player's sucess (Harris/Stauskas). "

Okay, but if the topic is "guard development" I think UM has a much stronger record and I don't even think it's close.  It's not just Harris vs Stauskas, it's also Trey, Walton, Caris, Morris, etc.

UMaD

May 14th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^

Harris isn't a PG, so I don't know that the Trey and Darius' "2 and done" example would hold much water with him.  Walton has only played one year, so his "development" is TBD.  Caris improved a ton from freshman to sophomore year - but that's the guy you're potentially competing with...

MSU/Izzo has a longer track record with guards going back to Charlie Bell and Shannon Brown (undersized SGs, like Harris), Alan Anderson, Jason Richardson, Morris Peterson (good shooter, like Harris, though he was mostly a forward).  That's not including Cleeves (who didn't have much talent but got taken high in the NBA draft) at PG.

You and I might look at how Izzo failed to develop 4 and 5 star guys like Appling while Beilein is converting 3 stars like Trey and Caris into high level players, but the narrative from East Lansing could be just as compelling.  Throwing around references to Magic Johnson probably doesn't hurt either.

Blue In NC

May 14th, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^

You would argue the other way on development?  Really?

1. PG does not apply you say but then you list Peterson Richardson, Anderson, all of whom are 6'6" or better and played more SF.  All were more highly ranked than the guys Beilein has been developing (with the exception of Walton). Harris is probably closer to a PG than a guy like Jason Richardson.  If we are including them, then I will add in THJr and GRIII to provide more recent examples with more impressive development records.  Also, why not list Torbert and some of the other Izzo flame-outs?

2. Most of the examples you list from Izzo are from 10 or more years ago.  Right now, Beilein is doing a much better job developing players in general and yes specifically guards.  Recent examples from Izzo (with the possible exception of Harris) are less impressive.

3. Then you list Cleaves as a "little talent" guy.  You mean the guy that played over ten years ago and was a Parade Magazine All-American, a McDonald's All-American, rated by Bob Gibbons as the No. 2 point guard in the nation, rated as the No. 8 player overall in the nation by Recruiting USA?  Cleaves had plenty of talent coming out of HS.

I will not argue that Izzo has developed some good players over the years but his recent period of the last 10 years (especially for guards) is actually mediocre.  While Beilein (and staff) seems to be killing it right now (especially perimeter players).  If you want to argue PT or opportunity, fine.  

Oh, and Harris will not be competing with Caris b/c he will likely be in the NBA after Harris sits out a year.

UMaD

May 14th, 2014 at 5:38 PM ^

1.  SF is closer to SG than PG, for most teams.  Richardson was a SG all the way.  Peterson was a forward, but he was also a shooter a la Harris.

THJ should definitely be included in the conversation though.

2.  I agree Beilein is better. My point is that from an objective perspective, MSU can make a stronger case.  10 years ago or not, Izzo has coached a lot of future NBA $.  Burke and Hardaway had nice rookie years, sure, but stack that production against Izzo's resume and you lose.  As you put it - it's not even close.

3. Yes - I mean Cleeves.  The guy that was fat, couldn't shoot, and benefited from his supporting cast greatly.  He was an excellent college point guard, a good leader, and had a tremendous career.  He's not an especially talented guy though, if we're comparing to other elite college and nba players. 

3.5 - That's easy to say, but what if Caris doesn't go.  If MSU is making a pitch they'll certainly raise that doubt.

BigBlue02

May 14th, 2014 at 5:52 PM ^

You realize that when the poster above you said "Parade Magazine All-American, a McDonald's All-American, rated by Bob Gibbons as the No. 2 point guard in the nation, rated as the No. 8 player overall in the nation by Recruiting USA" that all of those were before high school, right? And then he led his team to a national title and is seen as one of the greatest floor leaders in the last 20 years. And he was a 3 time all-american. And he was the B10 player of the year. Do I need to go on or will you continue to say that Cleeves wasn't talented?

Raoul

May 14th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^

In other recruiting news, Brevin Pritzl, the 2015 shooting guard from De Pere, Wisconsin, received an offer from Wisconsin during his unofficial visit there yesterday. It appears he might be ready to accept that offer, given this tweet:

Pritzl had visited Michigan on Sunday, leaving without an offer.

ypsituckyboy

May 14th, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^

WHY ARE THERE 77 REPLIES IN A THREAD ABOUT TY ISAAC, A GUY WHO PROBABLY WON'T EVEN COME HERE AND WHO MAY NOT END UP BEING A GOOD COLLEGE PLAYER, WHEN WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT WE'RE IN THE TOP 3 FOR ONE OF THE BEST TRANSFERS IN THE COUNTRY IN A SPORT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOOD AT?!?!?

We're not even very good at football these days and yet most people still care about it far more than a basketball program that is doing special things.

ypsituckyboy

May 14th, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^

1) I fear you're right and that makes me sad (as a fan who is wayyy more into basketball than football).

2) I'm mainly bothered because I don't have much, if any, faith that Hoke will end up restoring the program to prominence, yet people still prefer to direct more time/attention to football when the basketball program has a phenomenal coach capable of creating a powerhouse over the next decade and their time/attention would be better served if directed at the basketball program.

LongLiveBo

May 14th, 2014 at 3:45 PM ^

“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing.”

- Bo Schembechler

Losher

May 14th, 2014 at 5:07 PM ^

Not only is michigan considered a football school but football recruiting is much more popular than basketball recruiting. So the fact that a guy who at one point seemed like he could come to michigan is now transfering close to home will draw the eye and opinion of many who frequent the board. 

wbpbrian

May 14th, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^

I think we will have a substantual drop in talent after this year if Caris leaves but if we get Harris I think he could almost be as good as Caris.

Raoul

May 14th, 2014 at 6:58 PM ^

Reanimator's dream might actually come true?

Mykhailiuk or Harris?

Braylons Butte…

May 14th, 2014 at 7:10 PM ^

I can't make a new post--so perhaps someone can do so:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/10930456/nik-stausk…

Chad Ford highlights a workout done with Stauskas, McDermott, and Payne, among others, and how Stauskas was really impressive. 

Key section:"Stauskas is making a play to be more than just a shooter, and the early returns look really good. He was absolutely terrific in the ballhandling drills he was put through on Tuesday.

Stauskas told me he grew up playing point guard until a late growth spurt moved him to the 2. While he wasn't a primary ballhandler at Michigan, he showed the ability to initiate the offense this past season. Based on what I saw in drills, I think he's got a chance to get into the conversation with Marcus Smart and Tyler Ennis. He isn't a pure point guard, but neither is Smart. And his ability to shoot off the bounce means he's going to have the ball in his hands a lot, regardless of what position he plays.

We have Stauskas ranked No. 12 on our Big Board, and if teams are convinced that Stauskas can play some point, he could end up passing Ennis on draft night."