Early combine results
Early RB results from yesterday:
De'Veon Smith - 22 reps on BP
Dalvin Cook - 22 reps
Fournette - DNP (say's he'll lift at LSU Pro day)
Perine - 30 reps
McCaffrey - 10 reps (so much for skipping the bowl to prepare for combine)
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/3/2/14796202/2017-nfl-combine-results-…
Ben Braden - 25 reps / 5.04 40
Leg strength is more important, but he knew he was going to be doing the bench press. It seems to show a lack of preparation for the biggest job interview of his life.
Or all that he is capable of doing?
That's all he's capable of doing due to lack of preparation. Obviously.
But unless his arms are five feet long....no excuse for 10 reps.
You make it sound like he sat around....when I'm sure he's known for awhile where he's at on flat bench, and no doubt dedicated a lot to getting better.
When I say that's all he's capable of, I'm saying it is possible that he has maxed out what he as an individual is capable of without PED's.
Cool. So if I prepare long enough I should be able to lift 2000 pounds right? Nice logic. Some bodies are just not going to lift 20 reps of 225. It's possible his is one of them.
Very few young men are ONLY capable of putting up 225 lbs. 10 times with the right preparation.
For us little people 225 pounds is a lot of weight. When I was 23 I decided to take up lifting. I was five feet nine inches and weighed between 140-145 pounds. I was not a dedicated gym rat but I was averaging hitting the gym 5 times a week for about an hour. I did not do any special nutrition other than protein shakes. When I was in my early 30ties I was maybe 175 and was able to bench 225 4 times. For me to get to 225 once was a big deal. So I always envied you big people who could banter about doing 10 of this or 20 of that as if all you had to do was put in the time.
He's 6', 200 lbs and trying to convince GMs to pay him millions of dollars to play in the NFL. Your anecdotal story might not be a solid apples to apples comparison.
It is a lot of weight, but he should be preparing to lift a lot of weight.
I have a former player who was a 5'5", 150 lb. running back in high school. We go to the same gym now. He's benching about 320 lbs. now, and I think he weighs about 175 lbs. He's not a total gym rat, either, but he does hit the gym about five days a week for probably an hour or so.
6'4", 265 lbs. with 37-38 sleeve length.
I can "only" do 225 10 times myself.
I blame my orangutan arms.
#KingLouied
and pythons eat koalas....
Not disagreeing that a pro prospect should do more. If you begin weight training at 14, and have access to a professional staff for years you probably should be able to do more. That all said it reminded me of an interview by a Lions linebacker several years ago. He talked about how at the beginning of the season he was capable of benching 225 over 20 in preseaon yet by the end of the season he was lucky to get 8. It would be really interesting to go into a mirror mirror universe and measure the performance numbers of players after 20 weeks after enduring the equivalent of automobile wrecks every day. Aka its not so important whether you can perform a feat of strength in ideal conditions, but can you do it under duress. I'm sure if someone could figure out a test for recuperation they would make a billion. The guy still able to bench 225 10 times after 20 weeks of destruction is worth more than the individual who benched 25 in preseaon and is down to 6 because of injury and need to rest.
^^ you lost me at "Lions"
He's going to have to gain weight, anyway. He's not going to make it in the NFL if he's going to stay at 200 lbs.
He *might* get passed up if we're talking about going at the end of the 2nd round vs. the beginning of the 3rd or something like that. There are going to be 200+ picks in the draft. One little thing might sway someone one way or another, and then you drop down the board a little bit.
The combine is run by people who think some of these things are important. You say it's not important, but you're corundum. You're a nobody like me when it comes to stuff like this. The people in charge decide to have players bench for their tryout for a multi-million dollar career, so the logical conclusion is that they put more stock in bench press reps than you're acknowledging.
So maybe Dan Quinn scoops him up in the 3rd round? I'm a fan.
Just playing devils advocate of those on the list only Charles has been a feature back for consistant years. Bush pulled it off once. The guy you want to list is Warrick Dunn. He played at under 190 and was a feature back for years. More impressively he ran well between the tackles. Charles and Bush were always home run hitters.
Yeah, but Dunn split carries with Mike Alstott while at Tampa Bay, at Atlanta he increased his carries by 10 - 20%
I had forgotten about Alstott. Now that you have revived my memory I always thought Dunn was the better runner between the tackles. He was one of those wiggly angle guys that no one could get a clean hit on. If you were bigger than Alstott and hit him head on you stopped him. But the same monster that could stop Alstott cold would get only 20 percent of Dunn and we burrow for another yard.
Yeah, Spiller hasn't topped 100 carries in the last three years. Bernard is 5'9". Sproles is like 5'6". Charles and Bush are uncommonly fast and/or elusive...and both have had ACL/injury issues.
If he stays at 200 lbs., he's going to get broken.
"He's going to have to gain weight, anyway. He's not going to make it in the NFL if he's going to stay at 200 lbs."
There are piles of NFL backs that play right around 200 lbs.
LeSean McCoy
Devonta Freemen
Bilal Powell
Jacquizz Rodgers
Jerick McKinnon
Theo Riddick
Danny Woodhead
Giovani Bernard
Dion Lewis
Shane Vereen
Ameer Abdullah
CJ Spiller
Andre Ellington
At the combine -
LeSean McCoy :
Height: 5'10
Weight: 204
40: 4.45
Vertical: 29"
Broad jump: 107"
McCaffrey:
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 202
40: 4.48
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad jump: 121"
i think it would take me a year of lifting to put up 225 once.
And if he was battling an injury he shouldn't do the exercise. Doesn't make sense to go out and put up a 10
Very good point, just like Fournette did. Also on Fournette, he weighed in at 240. will be interesting to see 40 times.
McCaffrey to tank the combine and they would pick him up
What if he could only do 6 in January? As someone who has always struggled at bench, I can empathize.
He probably knew he wasn't going to impress. Kudos for owning it and not sitting it out.
Agreed. NO WAY an elite athlete, like McCaffrey, with world class coaching, world class lifting, and world class nutrition all given / available to him should put up such a poor result. Just unacceptable, unless he is hurt and shouldn't have participated then.
UNACCEPTABLE!
Jarred Abbrederis - 4
Tyrann Mathieu - 4
Odell Beckham - 6
DeAnthony Thomas - 8
Asantay Samuel - 9
I just hope McCaffrey goes undrafted to the end of the first round and is selected by the Pats. Imagine if Brady has McCaffrey and McCaffrey once again has an excellent OL working with him (which was a huge problem for Stanford in 2016, rebuilding the OL).
Honestly, don't recall hearing much about his blocking skills during his time at Stanford. Did he arrive at the combine with a reputation as a decent blocker or with the infamous "needs to develop this skill" tag?
I've not seen this before, and think it deserves an embed. So it gets one:
He lollops along like a camel.
He'll never amount to anything.
Maybe take a flyer and waste a 6th round pick on him or something.
Who knows? It might work out.
In all seriousness, based on all the info available at that time, drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round was a perfectly rational decision.