Does Urb leaving hurt their recruiting?
Or is OSU such a well oiled machine, it won't miss a beat? Here is their current commit list
https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Season/2019-Football/Commits/
December 4th, 2018 at 8:52 AM ^
No, most people don’t defend you because you’re a fucking idiot.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:57 AM ^
Look at this internet tough guy everyone. I bet you punched your keyboard so hard typing that out.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^
I bet you post all these terrible takes and then thing to yourself "All the SHEEPLE are groupthinking. It can't possibly be me. Literally everyone else is dumb"
December 4th, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^
No, most people don’t defend you because you’re a fucking idiot.
LOL. You proved the poster's point for him.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:38 AM ^
Is there any situation where you are not negative?
December 4th, 2018 at 8:40 AM ^
Would it be better if I pretended we haven't lost 16 of 18 to OSU and haven't won the B1G in 15 years? Thank god Dantonio is on the downslide because we couldn't beat him either.
December 4th, 2018 at 9:40 AM ^
dantonio isn't "on the downslide," whatever that means. he's the same coach he's always been.
we beat sparty this year (and will probably continue to do so) because we have better players, and because we coach them better than we did when brady goddamned hoke was on our sideline. sheesh.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:10 AM ^
So last year you lose 5 games and this year you beat one out of 3 rivals and it’s back to the “ we will dominate now” mantra.
If 2-7 vs rivals = elite (lmao) then I don’t know what to try to tell you guys. State was a pathetic mash unit on offense and continues as such ...that isn’t any fault of UM and a win is a win but facts are also facts.
Personally I’d like little more than for your coach and team to take this same approach where you’re “ just better” — rain, hoke, crowned fields , refs and such
one season where you beat one hobbled rival rival and it’s 1997 Lol
December 4th, 2018 at 11:29 AM ^
ha, you just said "crowned field." congrats on the 2003 reference to a lloyd carr press conference comment that literally no michigan fan has ever brought up since. unlike the never-ending sparty whining about injuries. poor sparty.
i don't know that i said anything about dominating our rivals, just sparty.
but hey, little brother gonna little brother.
December 4th, 2018 at 1:18 PM ^
So wins in down years, or in years with significant injuries don't count? Cool, so I guess Sparty fans don't count the Hoke and RR years, or the win with O'Korn at the helm, right? I won't hold my breath for that one.
Injuries hurt State because they lack quality depth. They lack quality depth because nobody outside of the state of Michigan cares about MSU.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:03 PM ^
It would be better if you stopped using multiple accounts and just admitted you weren’t a Michigan fan.
December 4th, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^
wait, WHO is being relentlessly negative in a recruiting thread and unwilling to even acknowledge room for other opinions or the possibility of being incorrect? DiagonalBlue, you say? Well I never.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:41 AM ^
You don't just replace one of the best college coaches ever and not expect a downturn. This isn't rocket science.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:52 AM ^
Really? How’d that work out for them the last time, or the time before that? Or the time before that?
December 4th, 2018 at 8:57 AM ^
Well they were known as a 9-3 program that could never get over the hump under Earle Bruce then hired Cooper that had a few really good teams but could never beat us. If Day could at least slip them to that level...that would be greatttt. Time will tell, but statistically to be better than Urban Meyer will be pretty much impossible.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:01 AM ^
The last time they upgraded from sweater vest to a known quantity and national championship winner. In between they had the fickel year, which shows exactly how important coaching is.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:59 AM ^
The real answer is losing Urban will have an effect on recruiting but OSU has always pulled good talent and still will.
We don’t have enough data on Day. The pressures of running a program as the Head Coach require a different skill sets especially at a place like OSU.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:44 AM ^
Brian, I’d pay to have the option to block posters like this guy. Complete asshole.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:59 AM ^
Seconded. Really hope that is part of the new updates.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:50 AM ^
He was fired as QB’s coach in Phili and then hired to Coach QBs at San Fran before being hired at osu. Sounds like a real up & comer!
Are you a fucking moron or do you just play one on here?
December 4th, 2018 at 8:55 AM ^
Your posting history is a textbook example of why anonymity on the internet shouldn't be allowed. What a complete and utter embarrassment.
December 4th, 2018 at 2:39 PM ^
Do you. . .
Have you . . .
Fuck man, I'd ask if you have any self awareness, but I'm not even sure you know what that means.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:51 AM ^
I'll have to agree with this.
OSU has been reloading coaches and players all of this century.
I assume this will stay the same until proven otherwise.
Maybe we just need to get better instead of hope other programs fall apart.
December 4th, 2018 at 9:26 AM ^
We are getting tangibly better, every year. It's not unreasonable for fans to expect/hope that a programs trajectory is expected to head in the wrong direction when a once-in-a-lifetime coach (and major POS) steps away from the program.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^
Well, yes and no. After Woody they hired Earl Bruce and he really wasn't anything special, so then they got John Cooper, who wasn't much of an improvement and he couldn't beat us. That brought us Jim Tressel and we all know the history there, but he had t leave under a shadow of scandal and that left them with Luke Fickell who by no means was a great coach, but he was just the gate keeper until Meyer decided he wanted the job, and he was already established as the best or 2nd best coach in america, so to say they just reload is somewhat of an over statement. Ryan Day may be the second coming, but this is no guarantee, but you are right, lets just worry about our own house.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:54 AM ^
Every major program has had a downturn. Why not OSU? MSUs fortunes in both football and basketball were built on our hard times. OSU is not immune.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:54 AM ^
Yes, they have had two great hires. Two points do make a line but they don't make much of a (reliable) prediction.
I am not saying Day is going to be bad but Cooper wasn't bad either. Day will almost certainly be from good to elite, but most likely very good or near elite. IE, NOT Urban Meyer.
December 4th, 2018 at 9:06 AM ^
You CANNOT overestimate Urb's recruiting ability. That will be the most difficult thing to replicate. If he can't do that, their success won't be sustainable. Time will tell.....
December 4th, 2018 at 9:33 AM ^
When was the first time you had heard of Ryan Day??? This year when he was made the interm Head Coach? I had never heard of this dude. I get that the talking heads are claiming he was heavily recruited to be an OC in the NFL, but why wouldn't he make that jump? This is a huge wait and see thing.
December 4th, 2018 at 9:40 AM ^
Thank-you for your participation, Mrs. Day.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:30 AM ^
Honest question, If you despise the way the program is ran so much why don't you pick another team to root for?
December 4th, 2018 at 8:22 AM ^
Pretty sure Day has more head coaching experience than Lincoln Riley had when he took over Oklahoma.
At any rate, OSU is OSU. Regardless of their coach, they’re going to attract top talent and they have 9 or 10 wins built in every season.
In regards to their coach, he’s a young, energetic guy. Which recruits love in a coach. Whatever impact it has on recruiting, Id expect it to be minimal. OSU will still be one of the 5 or 6 best recruiting classes every year.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:25 AM ^
Yep.
Urban Meyer called Ryan Day "elite" and sees the 39-year-old as a superstar in coaching. Day had head-coaching opportunities both last year and this year, but it became increasingly likely in recent weeks that he would wait out Meyer and likely become... https://t.co/TR0TT3fHFb
— Adam Rittenberg (@ESPNRittenberg) December 4, 2018
December 4th, 2018 at 8:55 AM ^
Well if honest Urban said it it must be true!
Idiot.
December 4th, 2018 at 9:00 AM ^
Were you expecting Urban to call Ryan Day a bum on his way out?
December 4th, 2018 at 9:28 AM ^
What would Lloyd Carr have said about DeBord if he was his replacement?
Day has bounced around a lot. That's not necessarily a negative, but he hasn't really left his mark along the way either, has he? With Meyer as an offensive coach and co-coordinators, no one on the outside can tell how much credit Day deserves for his work at OSU. Their offense was pretty good before he stepped in. It's not like looking at the effect Ed Warinner had here this season.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:38 AM ^
Ryan Day is an uproven "Head" coach. It is a whole different ballgame when you are responsible for everything. How many "hot" OC's flame out as HC's? Pretty high percentage. The fact he took the team for 3 games means nothing. Likely OSU will have a good year next year as there is too much talent not too. They will lose to Michigan for the first time in years and doubt will creep in. "Meyer never lost to Michigan".... Bank on it. OSU is coming to the Big House next year and there will be a reckoning... Now, after losing to Michigan who is playing for the B1G championship, the doubt creeps in even further. All of a sudden the recruiting classes are not as loaded. Next thing you know they lose 3 games and Day is under fire......
Guys, you don't want to be the guy who replaces a legend, you want to be the guy that replaces the legends replcement..
December 4th, 2018 at 8:37 AM ^
"At any rate, OSU is OSU. Regardless of their coach, they’re going to attract top talent and they have 9 or 10 wins built in every season".
The same could have been said about Rich Rod and Michigan in 2007.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:44 AM ^
Not really, OSU could take only Ohio talent and still win 9-10 games a year.
The same can’t be said for Michigan in our state.
With that type of buffer, it’s not surprise that OSU has never had a “rich rod” era.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:04 AM ^
I mean, they kinda did with Fickell, but then Meyer showed up. They've had two Superstar coaches lately, and their recruiting is great, but they're still capable of falling to 6/7 win seasons if Day is in over his head.
I don't happen to think he'll struggle that much, but for OSU to regress to very good from elite isn't out of the question.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:03 PM ^
Exactly this. OSU under Meyer will have EIGHT or NINE losses in SEVEN years (counting this year).
That's the same number of losses as Alabama.
Clemson is next with eleven.
There is now OSU could replicate that in the next seven. Maybe eleven losses, probably closer to 14, at best.
December 4th, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^
OSU has made good hires historically. Woody, Bruce, Tressel and Meyer were all top notch at winning games. Even Cooper won a lot of games, just not against Michigan. Only bad coach was interim Fickell who went 6-7. But Meyer was the most successful of all of them. Hard to not believe that Day won't be some sort of step back whether small or big.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:25 AM ^
How do you figure? OSU now is a completely different animal than 2007 Michigan.
You also had Rich Rod come in and change everything both culturally and schematically about this program on both sides of the ball while Ryan Day is there to keep things status quo.
You’re REALLY comparing apples to oranges there.
December 4th, 2018 at 9:18 AM ^
Unlikely that OSU implodes, at least in 2019.
But almost every program that has all the the natural advantages have stumbled with coaching transitions--Texas, USC, FSU, ND, Michigan, Alabama, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc.
Basically all of them, except OSU...so far. And even with OSU, the line after Woody--Earle Bruce then John Cooper--was considered a big enough step down from Woody in terms of success to fire both.
It is exceedingly unlikely that Day will match Meyer's 90% win rate.
It seems more likely that Day will drop down to a 75% win rate than that he will match Meyer's 90% win rate (assuming a five or more year tenure).
December 4th, 2018 at 9:49 AM ^
My retort is that OSU is in a talent rich state that without a sniff of competition.
No other blue blood program has that type of built-in advantage.
They have no noticeable dry period in the pass 80 years. Hell they fired cooper because he lost to Michigan.
While I don’t see 90% winning percentage god mode that urban had, a return to Tessel is probable, albeit likely.
December 4th, 2018 at 10:04 AM ^
Georgia and LSU have those built-in talent advantages too
December 4th, 2018 at 10:28 AM ^
Texas and USC may have the best in-state recruiting sets-ups in all of CFB.
Have those schools come close to matching Meyer at OSU in the last 7 years? No.
Ohio is not really where Meyer got most of his guys anyway.
If OSU drifts down from 90% wins under Meyer to 75% wins under Day, then Michigan can get back to beating OSU at least 50% of the time, or more if Harbaugh gets the right set of assistants.
Football Gods definitely owe OSU their RRod at Michigan, Helton at USC, Callhan at Nebraska, Sarkesian at USC, Strong at Texas, Ray Perkins at Alabama moment...
December 4th, 2018 at 9:57 AM ^
Mike Farrell, head guy at Rivals, just said Meyer was the best recruiting HC he ever covered. There will be a dropoff.
Of course OSU will still recruit at a high level. But they've been second overall behind Bama. It's hard to see how they stay up there.
December 4th, 2018 at 11:59 AM ^
OSU is OSU ? Did you say that about us in 2006 ? That whoever we hire, Michigan is Michigan... and it went quite poorly with RR. I hope you realize we still are where we are, due to that program changing decision, and Harbaugh is trying to bring us back from it. And MSU had a program changing hire in Dantini..... and the wrong decision, will have the opposite effect.
What you can say, is that Gene Smith is unlikely to err... but it is still possible.
December 4th, 2018 at 8:57 AM ^
Riley had Baker Mayfield and now Kyler Murray. If Haskins leaves for the NFL as expected, then Day will have Tate Martell to work with. Let's see how that goes.