December 14th, 2011 at 4:53 PM ^

there was the original violation stuff of the players misdeeds and tressel's cover up. following that, there was the car thing, which seems shady but was "resolved" and proved to be legal. there was TP and his mates emptying the supply closet in return for cash, but i don't think there was any real evidence or record of this exchange. various other minor things have come up, the golfing and the envelopes of money from charity events, which was resolved to a degree with suspensions this year.

i think there is a lot of wishful thinking and a lot of smoke, but in the end i think it is just the tat5 stuff, which is still pretty bad, but without JT there anymore...


December 14th, 2011 at 5:28 PM ^

My understanding, though, is that Posey, et al. weren't overpaid by that much for those jobs.  It doesn't seem like enough to cause major sanctions (especially given that those guys were already punished).  As you say, though, it did seemingly cause the NCAA to add the extra charge, so who knows? I just know, this late in the day, that I have no reason to think that CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS AT SMU AND BURIED THEIR BODIES NEAR A TRAILER PARK IN FORTH WORTH.  There is no reason to think that at all. 


December 14th, 2011 at 5:31 PM ^

Posey was given a union job he wasn't qualifed to do (and presumably didn't, since he couldn't) and didn't have a chance in hell of landing on his own.

Or he was overpaid ridiculously, getting a skilled union wage for the job he actually did.

Your choice--either is bad.

On top of that was Posey's mother claiming the university was withholding paperwork that would have implicated them, not the players, in the wrongdoing--she said they'd thrown the players under the bus to save themselves from an FTM (which they're facing anyway as it turns out) or an LOIC.


December 14th, 2011 at 11:52 PM ^

Will all this at least help us a little bit in recruiting?

I assume that even OSU is not stupid enough to keep doing all the stuff we all knew they were doing . . . cash, cars, fake work programs, no classes, etc.

If they are forced to tighten up that stuff, won't that make them less attractive to some recruits?

I hold two simultaneous thoughts about OSU:

1) Meyer will be a great coach and will tear it up in recruiting,

2) Even so, it won't be enough to offset the unfair advantage they had been getting under Tressel.  

No matter how well Meyer does, our lives will never be harder than they were against OSU under Tressel.  The playing field is now more even, and we got us some good players.



December 14th, 2011 at 11:56 PM ^

He will hear what he wants to hear: that OSU is in the clear and back to being viable.

Let it go.

If you're desperately looking for running backs from Ohio to flaunt, Fitz and Shaw are from Ohio.



December 14th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^

OSU knows exactly what is going to happen to them (nothing) and I believe Meyer is being truthful when he says it. Two facts to consider:

1. Why would even take the jon unless he KNEW the fix was in?
2. Why would OSU take such a public stance of defiance unless they KNEW there would be no repercussions to their actions?

I defy anyone to find even one instance where OSU has faced anything resembling a consequence yet-and they won't.

I hope both of their coaching staffs suck eggs.

Wolverine 73

December 14th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^

He wants to go to ohio.  He has been looking for a reason to do so all along.  So he chooses to believe whatever (likely cleverly and ambiguously stated) report he got from Meyer on the sanctions.  Let him go.  I don't recall a blue chip RB on the '97 National Champions, but I do recall a dominant defense.  Get us another CB or DL!


December 14th, 2011 at 4:42 PM ^

Or, honestly stated . Eff-ing NCAA. I would be sympathetic to the "Don't punish the current untatooed players and new coach for the mistakes of others" but for the fact that they have kept the horribly incompetent AD in place with a salary boost to boot.


December 14th, 2011 at 4:43 PM ^

We will be just fine without him. Did I want him and hear that he was going to UM? Yes. But that's not reality. I'd love to pick up a DB or another OL. Hoke and Co. know what they are doing. Besides, Fitz ended the regular season very well. I had my questions about him, but those were quickly forgotten. We will be just fine without Dunn


December 14th, 2011 at 4:50 PM ^

I have zero issue with Dunn. He was an Ohio commit to begin with. We didn't "have" him. We never had him. He was keeping his options open until he found out what was going to happen. UM gave him the answer he wanted to hear, and he re-committed. 


That UM knows the outcome is pretty unsettling. Yeah, I know life isn't fair, and all that. But if this is the case - that certain schools have the NCAA in their pocket, that the NCAA doesn't do its best to provide a level playing field, etc and so forth - then it's the NCAA that should be investigated. Or the NCAA needs to present itself to the college world in a more honest way, not as some impartial governing body that preserves sportsmanship and ethics in college sports. 


December 15th, 2011 at 12:04 AM ^

"UM"?  Srsly?  

On this board at least, you really need to come up with another identifier for Urban Meyer.

"UM gave him the answer he wanted to hear, and he re-committed."  At first I thought you were talking about us.  He re-comitted?  When did he comitt in the first place?  Wait, no, oh . . . i see what you did.



December 14th, 2011 at 4:52 PM ^

from the "over practicing" violations are almost on par with whatever OSU is going to be hit with - save for the eradication of 2010 from the record books.

How does this program not get MAJOR penalties? They've been lying and cheating for almost 10 years!!!! They should lose scholarships AND get at least a one-year bowl ban!


December 14th, 2011 at 5:17 PM ^

You can't recruit guys to try to get them to transfer.  USC RB Dillon Baxter alleged that Oregon contacted him and tried to get him to transfer when the SC stuff was blowing up, but nothing ever came of it .  It ended up seeming like Baxter just made the allegation up, but Oregon would have violated an NCAA rule had they in fact contacted him at that time.   


December 14th, 2011 at 4:58 PM ^

I may be mistaken, but I thought Dunn was going to be an early enrollee.  If so, Meyer's claims only need to hold up until Dunn starts classes, right?  After that, he's hooked even if it turns out not to be a true statement.


December 14th, 2011 at 5:01 PM ^

the self imposed penalty was pretty pathetic and I would be very surprised if the NCAA goes with it.  Even for as small as our penalty was they added on one more year of probation vs. 2 scholarships for about 3 years for Ohio.  Heads will roll if they accept OSU's self imposed sanctions.


December 14th, 2011 at 5:00 PM ^

and Gene Smith's background and influence with the compliance dept., there is essentially zero chance for anything other than a limp slap on the wrist for OSU. Meyer knows it, the players know it, the fans know it, and the media know it. To pretend otherwise is just a kabuki dance to give the impression that the NCAA is honestly examining things. If they can't figure out if anything's wrong down at Auburn, they sure as hell aren't going to take any real meaningful steps in Columbus.

Emmert is going to preside over the final end stages of the NCAA, at least with respect to it having any real influence on major college football. It's the wild, wild west, and anything goes.