The disappointment is almost worth it

Submitted by Larry Appleton on
It was a disappointing football season. It’s a disappointing end to the recruiting cycle. But knowing that all the UNACCEPTABLEs are pounding-the-floor miserable right now almost makes it worth it. They deserve nothing better. And truthfully, I don’t think they’d want it any other way. Now delete this thread.

MadMatt

February 7th, 2018 at 12:46 PM ^

This post in unacceptable.  I'm totally down with getting behind the young men who represent the University we all love.  If you want to emphasize what they did accomplish, and look for better days ahead, regression to the mean and all that, I agree completely.

Finding enjoyment in spiting fellow Michigan fans is just plain uncool.  Enjoying spite towards OSU, MSU, their loathsome coaches and their tiresome fans is fine.  Against fellow Wolverines is...just go sit in a corner and think about what you did.

ThePonyConquerer

February 7th, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^

Or maybe we're oh I don't know... spoiled?

 

Think we had two top ten recuiting classes and two years of success (2015-2016) so when 2018 recuiting class isn't that great it's the end of the world?

Give time and trust in 2018.

ThePonyConquerer

February 7th, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^

Or maybe we're oh I don't know... spoiled?

 

Think we had two top ten recuiting classes and two years of success (2015-2016) so when 2018 recuiting class isn't that great it's the end of the world?

Give time and trust in 2018.

AMazinBlue

February 7th, 2018 at 12:57 PM ^

The treatment of women and young girls at MSU is unacceptable. It is simply more evidence to prove that this program is not what it once was. We don’t beat our rivals, we aren’t competitive with elite schools on the field or on the recruiting trail and we haven’t been in the conversation for division titles much less conference championships in years. We’re the fourth best in our division and we are barely ahead of MSU in the recruiting rankings. Elite we are not. And there are no signs this will change in the foreseeable future. Heck we can’t even get decent offensive coaches to stay more than a few weeks. JH has some serious work ahead of him to fix this mess.

MWolverine7

February 7th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^

It’s amazing to me that you have to be in one camp or the other. You can support Harbaugh and the Team but still express concerns about coaching and direction. Hopefully, Jim figures it out because I was convinced that Drevno and Hamilton were going to be shown the door and we’d get a dedicated OC and a new OL coach. Guess I assumed too much.....

NateVolk

February 7th, 2018 at 2:09 PM ^

I am definitely in the Harbaugh we trust camp. And I also love criticism beyond the blanket: 3rd place, unacceptable, ass handed to us on the recruiting trail, x-x against our rivals, Fire pep/drevno. 

Brian talked about not filling in with Plan B's behind the loss of Hamilton and Wilson on the recruiting trail. Valid and informative.

The issue is on the board comments, there is so little of anything approaching that level of insight regarding where the program is at and where Harbaugh could improve, that it's making a great website into a whiner's forum.  MSM comment board level stuff.

Jimmyisgod

February 7th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^

In 2017, our best win was @ Purdue who ended up 7-6!!!

In 2018 we play:

@ 12-2 Ohio State

vs 11-2 Penn State

vs 13-1 Wisconsin

@10-3 Notre Dame

@ 10-3 Michigan State

@ 10-3 Northwestern

It's not hyperbole to say that this year's team would have went 6-6 vs next year's schedule.  So, if we go 3-3 vs those 6 in 2018 I will be happy and surprised. 9-3 would be fantastic with that schedule.

Unfortunately, for me, 8-4 is more likely than 9-3.  7-5 is mre likely than 10-2, and 6-6 is more likley than 11-1.  If we go 7-5 in harbaugh's 4th year the hype is dead and we're just any other mediocre Big Ten team.

 

brad

February 7th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^

You may be right, but it's also not hyperbole to say that 2016 M would have won the national championship in 2017. Unlucky for us, but they just happened to play in the wrong year. Things change so fast in college football that there is no point whatsoever in applying last year's results to next year's predictions.

Wendyk5

February 7th, 2018 at 2:47 PM ^

I have no idea what this thread means, but I have to tell you -- I'm starting to lose interest in Michigan football. Maybe it was inevitable, and would have happened no matter how we were doing. I don't want to lose interest, and I'm not angry about it. I'm just tired of not seeing any real progress. Sure, we're better than we were with Hoke and Rodriguez. But it's like we hit a wall. Maybe Harbaugh is going to make bigger changes than what we're seeing now, and maybe he isn't. 

bluinohio

February 7th, 2018 at 6:17 PM ^

Meh, a decent qb would have changed a lot last year. I get what you're saying, it's been a long time since I was really excited about it too. I just don't expect as much after RR and Hoke. I don't think we'll ever be NC contenders every year like Alabama, OSU. Changing that thought process helps me deal with what we really are.

Blue in PA

February 7th, 2018 at 2:55 PM ^

A season ago we went 10-3 losing three games by a combined 5 points.  We had the lead late in all three games.

Everyone is sick of losing to osu and msu, not winning the Big 10, but the sky isn't falling.  Last season was a step back, the two prior were major steps forward from the RR/Hoke years.  

If not Harbaugh, who?    

 

 

 

hfhmilkman

February 7th, 2018 at 4:25 PM ^

This entire unacceptable thread reminds me of Nebraska.  Because of various things, like what was before the Big12 was weak along with the demise of Oklahoma for awhile Nebraska had a glorious run.  After Osborne left there was an expectation of a continuation of what had been there before.  Never mind that football had changed and running the option was not going to work any longer or that Nebraska was going to be a hotbed of recruiting.  Another coach was not quite up to the standards.  It was unacceptable and he was fired.  Another coach was brought in who was not up to the standards of the previous coach.  It was unacceptable and he was fired.  Repeat and rinse until Nebraska is at the bottom.  Now Nebraska has their "Harbaugh" savior in Frost.  When 10,11 win seasons do not happen I am sure the unacceptable crowd will come out again.

The reality is the unacceptables only care about wins and losses.  If the wins were lucky and the losses unlucky, never mind.  I do not post much.  But it was pretty obvious to me that the 2011 season was really scary and I had reservations that we were in for tough times.  Part of the problem since 1997 is every setback is unacceptable.  R^2 had his own issues but we forget the upperclassmen or lack of them was due to the failure of Carr in his last couple years.  So we brought in an incompetent insider who ran the program into the ground.  If Hoke had remained in 2015 is there any doubt we would have lost all of our Big10 games?  It was only Harbaugh who got a functioning QB in.   Now Harbaugh is struggling through the recruiting gap recruited by Hoke.

If you fire Harbaugh, a coach every NFL franchise is licking their chops to peel away from Michigan who is going to take this job.  No hot shot coach or recruiter would ever touch Michigan. 

Unless a coach is failing on the tactical side, you do not evaluate him until he has all his players in place.  That is not the case.   UM went 8-5 because there was a lack of depth at the most important positions because of recruiting failures by Hoke.  If Harbaugh had an average Big10 QB the team is at least 10-3.  

If the unacceptables at Nebraska are as virulent as those at Michigan Scot Frost will be in hot water also.  The reality is Nebraska from a talent perspective is shot.  They have the wrong players for what Frost wants to do.  Yet the unacceptables will expect a return to the equivalent of when Nebraska used to go 10-1.

 

UMxWolverines

February 7th, 2018 at 7:40 PM ^

This isn't true. Nebraska held on to Bo Pelini for seven years and he didn't even win a conference title. They hit a wall and tried something else. They'll give Scott plenty of time, but just like here he's gonna have to win something of significance early on, Harbaugh hasn't done that. His best win is Wisconsin in 2016.

Ty Butterfield

February 7th, 2018 at 5:01 PM ^

Meanwhile Mork will keep winning. He should be fired for his years of enabling sexual assaults but the Detroit media doesn’t give a shit. I 100% believe that if the same exact story came out about Michigan football that there would be not only the Detroit media, but national media camped out on campus and tweeting up a storm until Harbaugh was fired. However, nothing will happen to Mork or Izzo. What a joke.

umich1

February 7th, 2018 at 5:55 PM ^

That is a double edged sword. Nobody gives a shit about MSU in good times or in bad. ESPN is still trying to figure out their football coach’s name.

They might not get the same level of media scrutiny, but they also don’t get the love.

Fezzik

February 7th, 2018 at 5:36 PM ^

You are openly enjoying and promoting divide in the Michigan fanbase. You are the worst kind of fan, if we can actually call you that much. Maybe it's time you continue your fandom silently. That or grow the fuck up.