Did Crean tell Sheehey to flop?

Submitted by WMUgoblue on February 26th, 2013 at 10:43 PM

A state friend of mine posted this on his facebook, and it's pretty interesting/incriminating. You decide...

 

Comments

Sac Fly

February 26th, 2013 at 11:50 PM ^

I think that broadcasters should be limited to calling games with teams that they played for. It's aggravating listening to Jalen call a Michigan game, or Clark Kellogg doing an OSU game.

It would help avoid extreme bias like this from a nationally televised game, because you know he doesn't say this if it's anyone besides Indiana. No way he encourages a Gopher to flop if the roles are reversed.

stormhit

February 27th, 2013 at 2:34 AM ^

When you frame something with "the way things are going in college basketball" that usually doesn't mean you're actually encouraging it-- it's more a criticism of how something is being called or handled, but being realistic about how teams will take advantage.

But again, I'm not sure what point he was trying to make... whether it's touch fouls to the head, or instant replay or what.

TheGhostofYost

February 26th, 2013 at 10:52 PM ^

Interesting.  I certainly wouldn't put it past Crean, and the two videos do warrant some suspicion, especially because Crean yells at the officials right away for a video review.

denardogasm

February 26th, 2013 at 10:51 PM ^

You must really love following recruits on twitter.  To say this is incriminating is a pretty big stretch.  Even if he did say that, which I doubt, I really don't have a huge problem with it.  Selling a foul is just gamesmanship.

TheGhostofYost

February 26th, 2013 at 10:56 PM ^

Selling a foul is gamesmanship?  No, it's not.  It's a cheap trick played by desperate teams with no class or pride in what they're doing.  And the evidence may not be conclusive, but it's not at all a stretch to say it's incriminating.  What else do you think Crean was signaling with that elbow motion?

denardogasm

February 26th, 2013 at 11:20 PM ^

Could be telling them to man up on rebounds.  Could be telling them to get in tight on the guy so they get a foul if he elbows them in the head and the guy took it too far.  Could be telling them to flop.  There's no way of knowing.  When I saw the thread title though I was expecting to see an obvious mouthing of the word flop or some other variant of the same.  I dislike the guy as much as anyone but this is inconclusive at best.  And it's up to the refs to figure out if it's a foul or not.  What is it when a center falls on his ass to get a charge because a point guard ran into him?  What is it when a guy throws up his hands and yells when he loses the ball under the basket?  Note carefully I'm saying selling a foul, not faking a foul.  There's a difference.

Wolverine Convert

February 26th, 2013 at 11:10 PM ^

It is obvious that Crean coached this and it is an embarassment to the coaching profession. He is in effect forcing his players to cheat and lie to get an advantage...That is so SEC. I hope the B1G looks into this and the mainstream media is all over him for this.

How would you feel if this happened against us in a key game and the refs blew the call?? It is NOT just part of the game.

OmarDontScare

February 26th, 2013 at 10:53 PM ^

Whoa. Definitely looks like it.

I work with a guy who went to High School with Crean and he says he's just one of those guys who will do absolutely anything to win regardless of morals and ethics. FWIW

bluesalt

February 26th, 2013 at 10:54 PM ^

I'm sure he teaches them to flop. The rules about elbows are terrible. Even if he did get hit, which he didn't, he was crouching, trying to get below the Minnesota player's arms from behind. I wish they called flagrants on flopping. If they're already going to the monitor, it's easy to see.

bluesalt

February 26th, 2013 at 11:09 PM ^

Firstly, if the ref's get it wrong, a kid can be thrown out of the game.

Secondly, it can have a much larger impact on the score. Two shots and the ball is huge.

Thirdly, and arguably most importantly, it's abusing a rule that is designed to protect kids. The point is to try to prevent concussions. But Crean coached Sheehey to contort himself under that players elbow and try to get hit in the head, or make it look that way. It flies in the face of anything resembling sportsmanship. It should in itself be a flagrant, and possibly a suspendible offense, for player and coach.

MaizeMN

February 26th, 2013 at 11:33 PM ^

1. If (when) refs get it wrong, it always impacts the score/game.

2. Any foul, including a +1 may involve a momentum or point shift.

3. Coaching a kid to flop on a drive, taking out a drive for a dunk against a poor FT shooter and any number of tactics may result in concussion or injury.

4. Conjecture: "But Crean coached Sheehey to contort himself under that players elbow and try to get hit in the head, or make it look that way.  "

5. An "acting" foul to prevent such actions, including +2 and the ball for the affronted team might mitigate some of the Hollywood nonsense.  

JHendo

February 26th, 2013 at 11:15 PM ^

 

Granted, it was a flop, but I've seen more dramatic flops with much less contact involved.  Also, I hardly find an 8 second clip with no sound from Crean necessarily incriminating.  As lame as it may be if Crean did tell him to flop, with every possible elbow to face being reviewed on the monitor, the way I see it is if the guy legitimately and flagrantly gets elbowed above the shoulders, who cares about his overreaction (or in some cases, lack thereof; a flagrant is a flagrant.  If it was a non-reviewable play, I'd care a lot more.