Danwillhor

December 5th, 2014 at 1:07 AM ^

we can't get out of our own way with this faction crap. This "University of Lloyd Carr's Michigan" crap. I can see and FULLY understand the Miles banishing for life. The guy is scum. Trust me, if not the rumors. Yet, it's pathetic that this is even news. It's pathetic that Michigan allowed a guy to have that much say, still have cronies that are loyal to him with power whether he likes it or not, etc. Carr wasn't the greatest ever. He was a good coach that won most games he should have and lost far too many he shouldn't have. Only Michigan. If we don't get Harbaugh (even if we do) I want a genuine calling out and cleansing of these elements. If Jim has to do it, so be it. However, it should be Carr and those these people work at the behest of, wanted or not.

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Mr. Yost

December 5th, 2014 at 4:50 AM ^

I'm so tired of reading this. It's bullshit.

Florida just let the SAME "only Michigan" stuff get in the way of it dumping a truck load of money into Dan Mullen's lap.

They didn't even sniff at Mullen.

Why? Because of "only Michigan" stuff.

So let's not act like this only happens at MIchigan. It happens EVERYWHERE. Including at our own work places...in the "real" world.

News fucking flash. Human beings have biases, hold grudges and favor people they like.

Is it right? No. Hell no. But it's not "only Michigan" either.

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Logan88

December 5th, 2014 at 7:44 AM ^

In Florida's case wasn't it actually the AD Foley who didn't like Mullen? If so, then it would make sense for his opinion to matter since he is...you know, the guy doing the hiring. What Carr thinks about UM football and who the next coach should be should mean less than nothing to anyone.

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Mr. Yost

December 5th, 2014 at 7:55 AM ^

It's Hackett's decision and Carr has said that. Now if Hackett leans on Carr or Griese or you or me...that's his decision too. I'm sure Foley leaned on people as well and vetted names with people in his circle as well. Foley is also one of the most well respected ADs in the country and has more experience doing the job than Hackett, so on the surface he may not need to seek as much assistance. But that's beside the point.

The point is this "Only Michigan" crap is just that, crap.

You think people don't get hired because the wife or friend of the man in charge doesn't like the candidate in question? You think a "culture" hasn't influenced hiring decisions in the past? Have you ever head of the "good ol' boys network?"

I stand by my point. This shit sucks. It's stupid. It's not fair. But it's not only at Michigan. It happens in politics, hell they call it "politics." It happens every day, everywhere. From the highest of high profile jobs to minimum wage opportunities.

Let's not act like Lloyd Carr is the only person to have influence over a job hiring or position that isn't not directly involved with.

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Tater

December 5th, 2014 at 6:19 AM ^

I really hope LC doesn't have any power or any say here.  He already screwed the program up for eight years.  It's time for the power structure to learn its collective lesson here.

Besides, didn't LC run around saying he "recommended RR," even while he was sabotaging recruiting and giving out transfers like candy?

If it works out that Harbaugh is at Michigan, great.  But after what LC did, I don't trust him to put the University ahead of himself anymore.

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clarkiefromcanada

December 5th, 2014 at 7:49 AM ^

I suppose Carr made a bunch of brutal defensive calls and gave up 65 to Illinois too?

Honestly, this Carr conspiracy BS is like listening to conspiracy theorists talk about wind turbines, chem trails and f'n Bigfoot.

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readyourguard

December 5th, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^

Do you have hard evidence that Carr was pulling certain strings for the last 7 years?

I mean solid, hard, "you know for a fact" evidence?  No.  That's what I thought.  I know Lloyd and there is no way in God's green earth he would be so goddamn petty.

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WichitanWolverine

December 4th, 2014 at 10:58 PM ^

Right. I'm just saying...I thought I had a knack for holding a grudge, but Lloyd clearly tops me. I guess I get that he still wants to blacklist Miles for banging his buddy's wife 20+ years ago. Fine, that's being a loyal friend. But the fact that he and Harbaugh had to "mend fences" over a few comments made 8-ish years ago is ridiculous. Glad he can put it behind him (or grin and bear it) to do what's best for the program.

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Madonna

December 4th, 2014 at 11:08 PM ^

Harbaugh simply spoke an uncomfortable truth which seldom is voiced out if loyal to the ol' alma mater.

Edit:  I also do not grasp why Lloyd would not want our first really high-profile, alumni NFL veteran QB to be a coach.  I'm not sure if Elvis Grbac had retired by then, but Michigan's NFL pipeline still begins with Harbaugh.

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Brodie

December 4th, 2014 at 11:22 PM ^

let's see

we can hire: experienced QB coach and former GA who Tom Brady credited as helping him develop

or

a guy who is actually still an active NFL player

yeah, it was a really easy choice and Harbaugh was obviously the most qualified candidate

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GoBLUinTX

December 5th, 2014 at 1:09 AM ^

played professional baseball.  Not quite the same.  Then there is John Wangler.  He did attend training camps with both the Dallas Cowboys, NY Jets, and Detroit Lions but then later signed with the USFL Michigan Panthers.  He was cut before the first day of training camp.

Before that Dennis Franklin was drafted by the Detroit Lions and actually played some WR for the Lions.  He caught six passes in nine NFL games.  Prior to that Don Moorhead was drafted by the NO Saints the same year the Saints drafted Archie Manning.  Moorhead was drafted to be a running back, said to hell with that and signed with the BC Lions of the CFL.  He was their QB for about four or five years.

Wally Gabler was a QB with the CFL for seven years.

Bob Timberlake was drafted by the NY Giants and was converted to place kicker.  He made his first attempt, 43 yards, and then missed the next 14 attempts to end his career as a PK.

Jim Van Pelt played QB in the CFL and he led Winnipeg to consecutive Grey Bowl championships.  His career ended in 1960 as he was drafted into the USAF.

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Madonna

December 5th, 2014 at 3:25 AM ^

Thank you for understanding context.  I was indeed referring to the phenomeal run from Harbaugh to Henne of putting QBs in the NFL.  I know that Rick Mirer chose ND over us because of the historical lack of QBs in the NFL at that point, even though Bo tried to convince him otherwise.

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omg lasers pew pew

December 4th, 2014 at 11:07 PM ^

Sigh. If you can't say something nice then you shouldn't say anything at all.

Unless you're an anonymous poster on the internet. Then you can say things like, "I would rather have Kate Upton for a coach than Greg Schiano because if we are gonna lose games then we might as well have a coach that looks good in a two piece."

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