Demar Dorsey - what are important dates?

Submitted by StephenRKass on May 11th, 2010 at 11:47 AM

So rather than read about Trent, I'd like to find out what's up with Dorsey. I did a site search, and a general Google search, but don't see anything definitive.

Is Dorsey forced to go JUCO, or is he coming to MIchigan?

What goes into this decision? Grades? Scores? Other? Is he admitted to Michigan provisionally, or no?

When will we know? Are there dates by which he has to be admitted? Is this another situation like Turner last year, where it takes so long to get approval that the year is essentially lost?

In reading Misopogon's awesome defensive analysis, I get the sense that for the defense to be good in 2010, we will have to be fortunate to have one or more true freshmen step in and make an immediate legitimate contribution. While the secondary now has much more depth than last year, it has very little experience. For Dorsey to come in on time this summer and go through a full pre-season of practice could be one of the crucial difference makers in having a successful season.

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jg2112

May 11th, 2010 at 11:59 AM ^

I think you'll have your answer the first day of Fall Practice, which is probably the first week of August.

Or, maybe a week after that.

I think this is yet another one of those things in life (like the actual games the players play) that, despite the best efforts of our stat friends, we just cannot pin down with metaphysical certitude until it actually happens.

StephenRKass

May 11th, 2010 at 12:05 PM ^

Didn't know if someone in admissions or the like would have insight, so put up post. I also may have not read prev threads with enough scrutiny, but I don't recall exactly what put him on the cliff edge of non-admission. . . ACT scores, GPA, course completion, or something else. I'm pretty sure there is no necessary cockamamy test in FL as there was in OH with Turner.

Captain

May 11th, 2010 at 12:43 PM ^

FWIW, there is a test (the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test).  Portions of the FCAT must be passed to be eligible for a high school diploma from a public school.

As Demar attends a public school, Boyd Anderson, he would be required to pass portions of the FCAT to be eligible for a diploma.  Those portions are typically given during 10th grade, but students who do not pass them on the first attempt are given five additional attempts in which to pass.  I have no knowledge regarding whether Demar has passed his FCATs, but it appears that in any event, the FCAT requirement can be waived by inserting appropriate ACT or SAT scores.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Comprehensive_Assessment_Test'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyd_H._Anderson_High_School

Beavis

May 11th, 2010 at 12:05 PM ^

I don't know dates but the word from Florida is that his issue is grades and not test scores. 

Of course this could be incorrect (I haven't talked to the kid's principal or anything like that), but it's what I'm going with.

That means - grades are done late May/early June at most schools and there's no need to re-take the ACT.  We should know something in about four weeks (or at least the coaches will). 

I'm not going to hold my breath that he'll be with us (word is his grades Freshman-Junior year were AWFUL), but if he is - I'm buying a Demar Dorsey jersey and shouting "OOOOO LET DO IT" at the bar all season long. 

Ezeh-E

May 11th, 2010 at 2:12 PM ^

but I worked in an admissions office of a BCS school comparable in academics to Michigan, and while I'm not exactly sure how UM does their athletic acceptances, I imagine it is similar to how our school did it.

Each team had scholarship spots for athletes we deemed standard (GPA above 50% class rank in the high school, ACT above 18) and we also had spots for those we deemed non-standard (GPA below 50% class rank in the high school, but high enough ACT/GPA mix to pass NCAA Clearinghouse).  We also had a few athletes who would have been accepted even without their athletic ability (think Vinopal, Roh, etc.).  Dorsey would have been one of our non-standard athletes.

The reason admissions does this is to make sure the team has a majority of athletes who have less risk of not making the grades.

The coaches at my school could more or less pick these athletes, and we would accept, barring an extraordinary case (we had one similar to Witty, where the athlete took so long to get cleared by NCAA that we decided he/she would not be able to succeed academically).

UM might do it differently, but doesn't seem likely.

Ezeh-E

May 11th, 2010 at 3:27 PM ^

I didn't mean for that to be directed at you in particular.  I've written it multiple times in multiple recruiting posts pertaining to this topic, and this is actually the first time it's not been ignored, so at least we're getting there.

I guess maybe I'll put together a diary on the topic sometime in June when we're up to our eyeballs in boredom.

Ezeh-E

May 12th, 2010 at 1:42 PM ^

and no I do not. However, I don't believe I ever heard of an athlete being academically ineligible during my time there, but that doesn't mean much.  I imagine the great majority (+/-90%) at the better academic institutions remain academically eligible throughout their careers, especially if you consider all the sports.  If Dorsey gets in, I have faith in the program to keep him working hard academically.

Maizeforlife

May 11th, 2010 at 2:28 PM ^

I have worked in admissions here at the U and I'll tell you this.  It isn't outright ignoring the standards, but they do have the ability to admit anyone, regardless of grades if they feel it is a good fit or they qualify in some other intangible way.  Be it cultural or whathaveyou they will find ways to let them in.  The only thing that would hinder this is if he has a criminal record....which he doesn't. 

 

There is a program called the "Summer Bridge" program where they accept under represented minorities and get them in during the summer to help them assimilate before the fall semester.  It's kind of a trial period to see if the students can keep their grades up.  They are required to meet with advisors in the Bridge Program regularly and have tutoring as well.  It's a decent idea actually, it gives people an opportunity to prove themselves rather than just outright denying them.

StephenRKass

May 11th, 2010 at 12:10 PM ^

We can hope and pray he gets his own house in order this year. Having two - three months to hump on his classes may be enough for him to get it done. Also, maybe this will shock him into doing the kind of work he will have to do to stay eligible once enrolled at Michigan.

WolvinLA2

May 11th, 2010 at 12:10 PM ^

Since most of the freshman who didn't enroll early will be on campus somewhere between the beginning of June and the beginning of July, we should know at least a little by then.  

Does anyone know the first day of training camp?

twohooks

May 11th, 2010 at 12:21 PM ^

And recruiting have its place in our world(s). I feel we waste enough time, money and energy rating four stars and two stars. I see no benefit in guesstimating his enrollment status and GPA etc. Demar Dorsey will get here when he gets here, if he is our end all and be all equation to success then we are all in trouble

Bromigo

May 11th, 2010 at 6:41 PM ^

He is arguable the best player we picked up in this class (ESPN #12 player overall) and at a position of extreme need. I’m not a proponent of the MGoBlog freakout slash meltdown combination but this is worth discussing.  

James Burrill Angell

May 11th, 2010 at 12:30 PM ^

I believe the NCAA only determines your GPA based on something called "core courses" which I have come to understand as academic basics like math, english, language, etc. So that A in gym class or music class won't count.

Beavis

May 11th, 2010 at 12:45 PM ^

Sorry for like the 10th post in this thread, but further google stalking reveals:

Boyd Anderson's seniors graduate on June 6th.  I do not know about summer school info in case that would help Demar qualify (not even sure this would work - given dates he would have to be qualified by, and the fact that no workouts over the summer / no practices = redshirt for sure).

http://www.browardschools.com/schools/dates.htm

 

GBOD79

May 11th, 2010 at 7:58 PM ^

I have to wonder why this is the case. Cullen Christian is a good player and one that I hope works out well for us. However, Demar Dorsey is the highest rated recruit signed by any big ten team this year according to ESPN. He has the athletic ability and attitude to be a stud. In my opinion, Cullen Christian's play will only be that important if DD does not make it in. If DD comes and is as advertised than CC's play wont matter as much.

those.who.stay.

May 11th, 2010 at 1:54 PM ^

but do we have any understanding of his likelihood of being able to transfer here after a semester or two in Kansas?

My understanding is that JUCO credits rarely (if ever) transfer to U of M. I (illogically) fully expect him to be dressed in the maize and blue this year, but if the Angry Michigan Secondary Hating God decides to flex his muscle I hope Demar can join us after Kansas.

me

May 11th, 2010 at 2:18 PM ^

which is distinctly different than JUCO.  There's only been two JUCO kids in the last dozen or so years to come to UM:  Austin Panter and Russell Shaw back in 1997.  JUCO kids just don't seem  to work their way into UM.

me

May 11th, 2010 at 2:38 PM ^

and this is certainly where I stray from my comfort zone is it has to do with the transferring of classes.  Coming out of prep school is just like coming out of high school so your eligibility is measured by that standard.  Transferring from JUCO is treated different since your are coming in not as a Freshman.  To maintain your eligibility in school you have to be "making progress towards a degree" or some language like that.  This is to insure that kids are actually taking real classes and nearly a full load. I believe there is some scale relative to you're a sophmore, junior or whatever.  If a two year JUCO kid transfers into UM he is supposed to academically be a Junior.  But if none of his classes transfer because of UM standards, then he may not be "making progress towards a degree" since he will essentially have the credits of a Freshman.

 

Like I said this is just my simple understanding and could be off on this so anyone feel free to jump in.

 

edit:  Looking to the always trustworthy Wiki.  This is what I believe trips up JUCO players coming to UM

 

The 'Progress Toward Degree' rule, commonly referred to as the 40-60-80 rule in Division I athletics, is a piece of National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) legislation designed to increase retention and graduation rates of Division I student-athletes. The legislation, that took effect for first time freshmen in 2003, states that by the beginning of the student-athlete’s third year of college enrollment, they must have completed 40% of the classes required toward a specific degree. This rate of progress toward a specific degree must continue so that by the beginning of the student-athlete’s fourth year, they must have completed 60% and by the beginning of their fifth year, they must have completed 80% of their required coursework toward a specific degree. This legislation, part of many academically oriented rules the NCAA has put into place over the past 20 years, was written in response to several calls for reform of "big time" college athletics including, most notably, the Knight Commission.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_toward_degree