Defensive Position Coach Candidates

Submitted by redjugador24 on January 8th, 2019 at 1:34 PM

With the Mattison and Washington departures, we now have vacancies at LB coach and DL coach.  Who are the top candidates to replace them?  Any "likely" candidates you expect JH to interview for the vacancies?  What about pipe dreams that just might have a chance?

Would you prefer someone with more experience (maybe an NFL position coach) or an up-and-comer with a tireless work ethic who maybe is less well known?

Would you prefer candidates with a strong regional scouting impact (what region....And be realistic if you're gonna say FL, GA, TX, CA - how much does that apply when recruiting to MI?) or someone who is not known as a recruiter but is a great X's and O's coach?

I have no insider info and no clue who they will bring in, but want to have a thread looking forward at potential fits instead of backwards/negative.  Personally, I would LOVE them to get Charles Woodson on staff regardless of the role, and groom him to become a DC in the future.  No clue if he has any interest, but even without any coaching experience I think he could be an instant difference maker as a LB coach and elite recruiter.  (yeah, I know, he was not a LB, but that's the spot that's open. Maybe Partridge goes back there and Woodson would take Safeties?) 

Eli

January 8th, 2019 at 1:39 PM ^

Has Woodson ever said he would coach or has he even been a coach? 

Names that come to mind for me would be Roy Manning and Jerry Montgomery, but I want the best qualified period. 

ken725

January 8th, 2019 at 2:33 PM ^

Both. I should have been more clear.

Trieu said he wouldn't expect Manning to end up at Michigan. Also, new Packers HC is retaining the defensive staff which includes Montgomery.

It looks like Allen Trieu and Sam Webb have different sources. Sam is now saying Manning and Montgomery are some names in the mix. Allen Trieu is great at what he does, but in this case I would go with Sam who has more connections within the program.

maize-blue

January 8th, 2019 at 1:56 PM ^

Woodson stated the one thing that would prevent him from coaching, college at least, is recruiting. He didn't clarify if he was referring to the actual work of it or alluding to the dirtiness of the recruiting game. My opinion it was the latter.

JPC

January 8th, 2019 at 1:40 PM ^

We lost two solid (though GMatt isn’t what he used to be) recruiters, so no NFL dudes who feel like recruiting is below them. 

 

michgoblue

January 8th, 2019 at 2:33 PM ^

This is the best take on the (position) coaching search.  Watch Alabama / Clemson - the play-calling was fine, but what jumped off the page was the insane athleticism of the players.  You give Harbaugh, Dantonio, Day, hell even Brady Hoke, that level of talent, and they are going to win.  Coaching is really important, but recruiting is critical.  To me, I would hire the two best recruiters you can get your hands on, as long as they are good enough at their job.  

CityOfKlompton

January 8th, 2019 at 3:21 PM ^

Cannot agree more. Watching that game last night made me feel like all the B1G games I watched this season were HS games.

The speed at which both Alabama and Clemson played was absolutely absurd. I think the talent discrepancy across the sprectrum in college makes speed/athleticism much more of a factor than in the NFL. Certainly coaching is important as well, but having the talent Bama/Clemson has can help overcome a lot of obstacles at this level of the game.

Consider where OSU has been in regard to recruiting through the Meyer era and our record against them over that time, and I think it is a pretty clear picture.

We have talent, but not the depth of talent the elite teams have. That is the difference.

goblue4321

January 8th, 2019 at 5:27 PM ^

Offensively Michigan has playmakers in dpj, black, Collins they just don’t get enough passes or let alone in a position to make a play, running back is what’s been poorly recruited imo, green, Smith, higdon, Evans, Isaac, all good players but not game changers, etienne for Clemson is a game changer with his speed,

harbaugh has talent and he’s under achieving 

BlueBallBoy

January 8th, 2019 at 1:41 PM ^

I vote Bill Davis for defensive line coach. He's available and can get him cheap. 

For linebackers, Eli Manning. No one knows more about where line backers should be than Eli. He has thrown a lot of balls to line backers in his time. Would be a very solid hire. 

ColeIsCorky

January 8th, 2019 at 1:44 PM ^

You may be on to something. We could hire Marcus Ray as our Safeties coach (because I am sure either one of Zordich or Partridge will also go to OSU), Charles Woodson do linebackers, LaMarr Woodley coach D-Line, and then after Don Brown goes to Temple we could hire Tyrone Wheatley to finally get the D-coordinator job he so covets. That would be awesome......?

Edit: Bad joke. Sorry guys. 

DonBrownIsAStr…

January 8th, 2019 at 1:44 PM ^

Stating the obvious, it's been the younger guys--Moore, Washington, Partridge, Jay--who have been really connecting with recruits. I would hope with that in mind that at least one of the two replacements is under 40.

Fishbulb

January 8th, 2019 at 1:44 PM ^

I get the desire, but All World guys like Woodson and Brady are not going to become college position coaches and take on the countless hours it involves. 

Mgoeffoff

January 8th, 2019 at 1:47 PM ^

I'm not sure our preferences have any relevance, but the likely candidates to replace Washington seem like Bush or someone else that worked under Brown (assuming he's staying) like BC LB coach Sherridan who also has some UM ties.  For Mattison replacements that have been said are Duke co-defensive coordinator, Ben Albert, who also used to coach with Brown as his d-line coach at BC.  The main question for these guys to me is their recruiting prowess.  I'd rather poach someone out of Texas, Florida, Georgia, or California with recruiting ties down there, but maybe Albert has built some in the NC, which is a pretty good state for talent as well, although a difficult draw from Clemson.

redjugador24

January 8th, 2019 at 1:54 PM ^

Yeah our preferences don't matter, but it drives a decent discussion about the types of things JH has to consider in a candidate and makes us hear other somewhat informed takes.  

Does anyone else have serious concerns about hiring a bunch of old BC position coaches that have not made a name for themselves elsewhere?  I'm assuming Brown stays (or at least does not go to Temple) based on the comments he made about "you always listen to the offers" because he didn't sound remotely interested in that job.  That said, this is UM, can we not attract some top names instead of guys with "ties" from middling program in an area not known as a talent hotbed?

Mgoeffoff

January 8th, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^

Does anyone else have serious concerns about hiring a bunch of old BC position coaches that have not made a name for themselves elsewhere?...can we not attract some top names instead of guys with "ties" from middling program in an area not known as a talent hotbed?

I think there are plenty of guys that if given the opportunity at a P5 blue blood can be very successful that have yet to get that opportunity.  Ryan Day is one who was at BC & Temple.  Al Washington was another that came out of that BC coaching tree.  For better or worse, the DB coaching tree is based out of the Northeast.

 

The problem is that young up and coming position coaches at other blue blood programs are looking to upgrade to a coordinator position, not a lateral move to another position coaching position at a different blue blood school.  Why would for example a d-line coach or LB coach at Clemson, Bama, UGA, etc. come take the same job at UM?  You'd have to go below that level such as an analyst or GA, or non-P5 position coach.  After that you're looking for guys that either were a part of another HC's staff that got fired, picking off an NFL guy you have ties with, or looking for an older guy that wants to rejoin JH and/or has UM ties.

redjugador24

January 8th, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^

Good points, although Day was an OC at Temple and BC and got his "break" when he jumped to the NFL as a QB coach for Chip Kelly, who was his head coach when he played at New Hampshire .... Because of his success in that role he was being considered for NFL OC jobs when he took the OSU OC job. 

 

Are you saying you'd prefer to poach a successful small school position coach or DC (and hope a raise and move to a major program entices them) over holding out hope we can find someone with blue blood or NFL experience and "ties" to the program or coaches?  Leap of faith vs. cronyism.... 

Mgoeffoff

January 8th, 2019 at 3:17 PM ^

Are you saying you'd prefer to poach a successful small school position coach or DC (and hope a raise and move to a major program entices them) over holding out hope we can find someone with blue blood or NFL experience and "ties" to the program or coaches?

That's a good question and I'm not sure I have a preference.  I have seen examples of a number of success stories at OSU with non-P5 coaches.  Tressel is another good example.  Vrabel didn't have any coaching experience prior to joining OSU and now he's an NFL HC.  I've also seen what I consider highly successful HC's from other schools come to UM and fail to be as successful as many expected (Rich Rod & JH).  Someone at OSU is using some metric to evaluate these guys that works for them and is less successful for us at UM.  I wish I knew what that was, but I can't say I do. 

 

I get the feeling the whole "Michigan Man" thing and the idea that we can to stay in the Bo coaching tree has limited to us some degree.  I think UM needs to deviate from that and get someone that can develop a new identity for UM in order to get to the next level.

MGlobules

January 8th, 2019 at 4:26 PM ^

Not necessarily a leap of faith if they're guys Don Brown has a good relationship with and believes in. In both the NFL AND college ball hiring tends to be so incestuous; there are a lot of good guys out there just waiting for their chance. I agree that a coach with ties to some deep player pipeline--who can convince players to come to Michigan--is undoubtedly golden, but how many of them are there?

In fact, to take this thinking one step further: both Brown and Harbs have to have seen the writing on the wall after this season, and understand they need to continue to evolve. I'd rather let them have the coaches they're comfortable with and get on with it than take on a bunch of uncomfortable new relationships/jam a bunch of square pegs into round holes to please the jackals. If this thing just isn't gonna work then I think we know pretty soon.