November 30th, 2010 at 9:06 AM ^

Seriously?  I think the things that have happened there are terrible, no doubt, but I think they were largely out of the control of Brian Kelly, and not done out of any malicious intent. 


November 30th, 2010 at 9:16 AM ^

Wow....there's over the top hyperbole and there's....there's.....whatever the hell that is.

I can almost hear the Freep reporters doing a slow clap cheer now in admiration of his work.


November 30th, 2010 at 9:36 AM ^

Huff Post sucks IMO, some times they have a good story, but mostly it is just trying to spice up stories to get hits....


Someone that has written stories for them told me they essentially pay nothing and thus all their stories are written by 23 year old freelancers with zero experience and that will just put anything down on paper to get published (she said she had done it herself)


November 30th, 2010 at 9:47 AM ^

Also food for thought.  Shutting down football is over the top however not stopping practice when a tower falls and Kelly's behavior and smirk comment toward the Tribune considering the topic is cavalier in the least.  Father Jenkins should have never made a public statement supporting Kelly and shown so much more remorse.

Captain Scumbag

November 30th, 2010 at 10:36 AM ^

Once the tower fell, "practice" only continued in the sense that Kelly ordered an assistant to take the players to the other end of the field to keep them out of the way of emergency personnel. Kelly and Swarbrick both were by Sullivan until emergency personnel took him away in an ambulence.

"Kelly continued practice" is a myth perpetuated by FREEP type hatchet reporting on the part of Brian Hamilton.


November 30th, 2010 at 9:19 AM ^

Extremely too far...but in any case, I'm sure as hell glad we didn't end up getting Brian Kelly.  Arrogance is important in some ways as a head coach but he pushes the envelope.


November 30th, 2010 at 9:22 AM ^

I think Kelly should lose his job because of the Sullivan death, but suspending the football program is a bit extreme.  Plus, I don't think the NCAA has a say in this case.  Kelly, however; is responsible for everything that happens in the program.  Like a Captain of a ship, he is responsible for EVERYTHING, whether he knows it's going on or not. 


November 30th, 2010 at 9:44 AM ^

Until we find out what actually happened.  You guys are jumping to conclusions about this like people did over our "major" violations.  The only thing we do KNOW is that there is absolutely no excuse for Sullivan's death, and someone's head will roll.  Whether or not it's Kelly's head, we'll find out soon enough. 

Your first mistake is reading the Huffington Post.  This article is absolute bullshit, nobody knows a god damned thing about what happened with this alleged sexual assault yet, or have we forgotten about Duke's lacrosse team already?? 

The fact that half of the country hates Notre Dame with a passion has a little influence on how this is being covered and no one will convince me otherwise.  How is this worse than parents letting their infant stand by the rail in a suite at the Lakers game?  That happened a week ago and I don't even hear about it anymore.

I am in no way trying to compare our situation with someone losing their life.  However, if our run in with the NCAA has taught us anything, it's that we need to get the facts first, and judge second, not the other way around.


November 30th, 2010 at 11:10 AM ^

Agreed that the duke thing was a gigantic ****storm, and those guys got a lot of crap for misconduct they didn't do.  That said, any allegation of sexual assault needs to be taken very, very seriously, and there is a proper way to deal with this accusation.

I'm not saying that allegations are the same as convictions. They are not.  Nor should we pass judgement on a person before facts have been found.

 I am saying, however, that a football coach should not make light of the accusation of sexual assault against one of his players.  He should also ensure that the player cooperates fully with the police investigation.  If the player refuses to cooperate, he needs to be ejected from the team.


November 30th, 2010 at 9:31 AM ^

Noboby ever seems to care until it's too late.  That's why I wish the police and AD at MSU would stop covering up the "alleged sexual assault" during orientation weekend.  Nobody cared until two students died at ND, and nobody cares at MSU, either.  Is it going to take a suicide for a sexual assasult victim to be taken seriously by the prosecutor, MSU, and Tom Izzo?

I hope it never gets that far, and I really hope the victim up there is given some closure.  What makes this case more curious is that one of the players "allegedly involved" even admitted that an assault did indeed take place, but still, nothing is done.  Sadly,  the message being given at MSU is that if you are an athlete, you can commit sexual assault without consequences.  .

Gang attacks on frathouses by football players and sexual assault by basketball players: all kidding and insults aside, I can't imagine why any parent would want his or her daughter to attend MSU.  It's obviously a very risky place to send a girl off to school.  And nobody cares: not even the coaching staffs whose job is to represent the school and help fulfill its mission statement.

As much as I like to berate Sparty, I'm pretty sure there is nothing in their mission statement about turning their campus into a war zone for its female students.

As for Kelly and ND, wasn't there some kind of an "alleged cover-up" at CMU when he was there?  I remember something like that being written about Kelly as possible "maintenance" during the coaching search back in 2007.  Really, I'm not surprised at his cavalier attitude toward what is happening at ND. 

Basically,  Izzo, Dantonio and Kelly remind me of SEC coaches.  They may not directly perpetrate any crimes, but they sure are great at looking the other way when their players do. 



November 30th, 2010 at 9:46 AM ^

This is absolute madness. This writer is totally off his rocker and shows all the signs - hysterical rush to judgment, misrepresentation of facts, transparent anti-jock bias - of the Group of 88 at Duke that wanted the athletic program shut down in the wake of the rape allegations against lacrosse players. When the rape charges were shown to have been complete fabrications, members responded with either complete denial of scientific and legal facts, or argued that even if they were  they were innocent, they were still bad people and should be kicked off campus.

This guy is just another in a long line of haters of athletes and Greek systems jockeying to get them shut down because he resents their social status and that he's not in their club.

Tim Waymen

November 30th, 2010 at 10:52 AM ^

As you do, I believe that everyone is innocent until proven guilty.  That said, however, it is quite damning and disturbing that the young girl sought treatment and was then on antidepressants and seeing counselors who were quite worried when she was a no-show.  Add in that her friends thought she felt guilty for telling authorities that she was raped, and it's a very damning picture indeed.

As for the Duke case, I too am disappointed by the quick rush to judgment and the university's lack of support for its students, with or without the racial and political components.  In this case, ND's lack of response is also quite alarming, and I'd say that a girl killing herself and a stripper asking a law firm about how best to spin the case in her favor suggest two very different things.


November 30th, 2010 at 9:55 AM ^

As it has been pointed out, this is clearly hyperbole, and I'm not even sure the author really believes the program should be shut down. More likely, the author included an audacious statement and headline to attract readers to the story and watch it blow up. Think of the "shut down program" statement as kerosene to a fire. 

Unfortunately, it is over the top and seems to distract the reader from what is really important: the two tragedies. 


November 30th, 2010 at 10:50 AM ^

Guilt presumption and rush to judgment, and a bunch of bitching and moaning about "they didn't take her story seriously."

Can't believe the editor in chief of an ostensibly professional news website wrote this. 

The only credible accusation of misconduct against anybody in authority is that the Notre Dame jurisdiction didn't properly pass on the investigation to the adjoining precinct. This has been clarified - the detective investigating the death now says he did get a call about it but didn't think it was important to his case. This seems reasonable to me. How is the fact a suicide victim accused somebody of rape significant to the evidence collection after her death? She already gave DNA, etc etc when she made the accusation. This is a non story!

We should be very sympathetic in Ann Arbor - this is shaping up to be Duke redux and could easily happen at Michigan with the hostile media. Kelly is doing the right thing in not acting until the University has made a final judgment. What are they supposed to do, string up the player as punishment for not leaving enough evidence at the scene?


November 30th, 2010 at 10:17 AM ^

Anyone with half a brain knew it was too windy to be on a scissor lift and kids are too stupid to tell a head coach no.   Brian Kelly if not directly responsible is a least indirectly responsible for being the highest ranking adult out there.


November 30th, 2010 at 10:18 AM ^

If the NCAA doesn't have the guts to do it, Rev. Jenkins should do it for them: take a year off...

Didn't they just take like 15 years off?


November 30th, 2010 at 10:41 AM ^

Zing!  But what about those BCS bowls they played in?  I mean, clearly they did something to deserve going to those.

Speaking of BCS beatdowns, one of the pages on the Rose Bowl official site has a USC receiver running by poor ole Trent (my wife is a Badger and I am being dragged along).  That game was so painful to watch.  You knew where the ball was going every single time Sanchez dropped back


November 30th, 2010 at 10:28 AM ^

This doesn't even take into consideration that he plays players with obvious concussions and it's still over-the-top sensationalism to attract hits. Sounds like another news source that I'm aware of.


November 30th, 2010 at 11:57 AM ^

Interesting to look at the date of the Seeberg suicide, September 10th.  That was the day before we played them in South Bend.  And I don't remember hearing anything in the news at that time.  Did it make national headlines right away? 

oriental andrew

November 30th, 2010 at 12:39 PM ^

It didn't make national headlines because it was, at the time, not thought to be connected to the football program in any way.  It was only recently that the Chicago Tribune published the story highlighting the alleged sexual assault by a football player and subsequent (resultant?) suicide.