Davion Rogers not on roster

Submitted by Crowpuppy on September 17th, 2010 at 12:33 PM

I was just looking at the roster on mgoblue.com and D. Rogers appears to be missing.

Is this new?  SIAP.

Edit: Not on the UMass game notes roster either.  Huh.

Comments

Frank Drebin

September 17th, 2010 at 12:38 PM ^

I saw something else that confused me. On the Football Coaches link, it lists Bryan Wright along with Zirbel and Josh Ison as interns. Is this a misprint, or is it someone different than our PK from the last few years who will be kicking against us for BG in 2 weeks?

WolvinLA2

September 17th, 2010 at 12:50 PM ^

Maybe, because when I pull it up he's not listed.

Can we get this resolved?  I was actually pretty excited about this guy, he seemed like the next Crable, and could be perfect for the OLB spot Roh plays once he learns to eat.  That frame could put on weight fast, and a RS Soph Davion Rogers at 6'6" 240 would be a solid LB with hos athletic he is.

Don

September 17th, 2010 at 1:09 PM ^

The guys RR has brought in who have stayed are collectively a bunch of pretty decent recruits, but going forward he has to figure out a way to cut down radically on the guys who either don't qualify or transfer out after one year.

WolvinLA2

September 17th, 2010 at 2:37 PM ^

I think he's insinuating that if you've thought of that, the coaching staff has as well.  Maybe you disagree with how close to the line RR plays it, but I assure you he knows what he's doing. 

What's worse - recruit a kid you think would be a major asset to your team, only to find out he can't qualify, or pass on a kid you think might not qualify only to see him star for another team?  I'm not saying there's one answer, just that there are two sides to that coin.

And it's not like every BCS school passed on these kids and we were the only team willing to risk it.  We've had a lot of issues with this in this class, but it hasn't exactly shown to be a RR trend just yet. 

Colt McBaby Jesus

September 17th, 2010 at 3:06 PM ^

The part of your comment I took most issue with was where  you implied he shoudl be trying harder to get players who aren't going to transfer. I would assume that they don't think guys are going to transfer when they sign then. I guess I don't know that for sure, but I wouldn't think they'd sign guys who they didn't think would stick around just because they wanted a better recruiting ranking.

WichitanWolverine

September 17th, 2010 at 1:31 PM ^

I agree on the academic/qualifying portion of your statement, but as far as the attrition goes: how is RR supposed to know that he's recruiting a bunch of talented yet immature pre-madonnas (/s on the spelling)?

To me, that says our under-the-rader recruits are kickin' shit and these big time recruits don't know how to handle it.  The more kids that leave, the better our team is.  Just my opinion.

Magnus

September 17th, 2010 at 1:37 PM ^

To me, that says our under-the-rader recruits are kickin' shit and these big time recruits don't know how to handle it.  The more kids that leave, the better our team is.  Just my opinion.

The NCAA and common sense disagree.  Our APR is dangerously low, and we have freshmen on the two-deep at nearly every defensive position.

WichitanWolverine

September 17th, 2010 at 1:42 PM ^

You don't think lazy, out-of-shape blue chip recruits (like Justin Turner) leaving because they can't hack is not a good thing?

The way RR and Barwis can transform "slouch" players into starters is nothing short of amazing, in my opinion.

Tim, feel free to take away all my points again.

Magnus

September 17th, 2010 at 2:05 PM ^

No, it's not a good thing.  It's not hard to figure out why, either.

APR
Depth
Talent
Experience

Those are all things that suffer from the high rate of attrition Michigan has suffered over the past few years.  All these guys leaving sucks.  It's not good.  Any argument otherwise is illogical.

BlueGoM

September 17th, 2010 at 2:08 PM ^

No, losing a kid on your team is not good.  Sure they don't all pan out.  Some will be surprises (Mike Hart, 3 star recruit) some will be surprise negatively ( Kevin Grady, 5 star RB, hardly played ).

These kids are offered scholarships for a reason.  The coaching staff wants them and thinks they'll be a plus for the team.   So no,  if a kid turns out to be bust it's not a good thing.   

Even if he's "lazy" - several notable players like Griese and Perry turned it around and wound upnot only starting put being great players.

 

Don

September 17th, 2010 at 2:38 PM ^

Nobody with any inside authority has made public exactly why Austin White left the team. However, we know it's not an injury, and I think we would have heard if it was a clearinghouse or academic issue, since the football program doesn't hesitate to mention that in relation to other players. That leaves conduct- or attitude-related issues as the most likely reasons. In White's case, there were many reports by those who were familiar with his high school days that attitude and conduct issues were present well before his recruitment by Michigan. A coaching staff faced with the severe roster issues that ours was could have made the judgement that they couldn't risk offering White a scholarship simply because they had so little margin for error in terms of numbers. I would make the same argument with regard to Dorsey. If you're at full strength roster-wise with plenty of depth, then you might be able to afford to gamble a bit on some kids. RR didn't, and doesn't, have that luxury yet.

WolvinLA2

September 17th, 2010 at 2:49 PM ^

Well dammit Don, we could really use you on the coaching staff straightening these things out for us. 

Tell ya what, when UM offers a player, write RR a letter letting him know whether or not UM should accept his commitment.  I'll reimburse you for the postage. 

Blazefire

September 17th, 2010 at 1:57 PM ^

It is possible that he and the coaches decided, rather than have him join the team at the last second, get zero pre season practice time AND blow his redshirt in a year he absolutely, positively was not going to play no matter what, they convinced him to suspend his scholarship a year. That would keep his profile up, but keep him off the roster.

wnymichfan

September 17th, 2010 at 2:44 PM ^

Once you enroll in a college or university your eligibility clock for years to play starts ticking.  he would not be able to redshirt with out losing a year of eligibility.  once you start school, you get 5 years to play four.  for instance, you can't enroll, go through four years of college and then expect to be able to play four years.  you would only be able to play one year and be done. i played lacrosse in college and this is what many coaches explained to us.  Also in hockey, its the reason many players come in after playing juniors and play college hockey from age 21 to 25.

Blazefire

September 17th, 2010 at 3:00 PM ^

Seriously, you have it COMPLETELY wrong.

I have a degree from the University of Toledo. I never once was on any sort of scholarship or athletic team there. Should I now decide to go back to school, and be selected for a varsity sports team, I get 4 years to play. If I attend for a year, leave the program entirely to pursue something else, and then come back to it, I still have three years left.

You get 4 years to be part of a varsity program. That is the ONLY restriction. You know all those kids that go to BYU, and leave football for two years for a mission trip? Yeah, they're still enrolled at the university while they're on that trip.

Edit: And all those players that the SEC coaches are grayshirting. Yeah, same thing. They attend school, pay their own way (or get some form of academic scholarship), but are not part of a varsity sports team, and therefore, the next year, when they join, they still have all 4 years of elegibility.

WolvinLA2

September 17th, 2010 at 2:13 PM ^

If this is the case with Davion (and I'm not sure it is) this makes Jake Ryan an even more important recruit from that class.  I know he won't play this year so he'll likely redshirt, but he might end up the only LB recruit in a year we needed LB recruits.  Here's to hoping he's the next Laurinitis like some had suggested.

WolvinLA2

September 17th, 2010 at 3:15 PM ^

Yes, they are a little muddled, but because we probably won't bring in more than one safety in this class (likely a FS) MRob and Cam Gordon will likely have to stay where they are.  If Cam moves, we've got Vinopal and true frosh at FS next fall, and if Marvin moves we have Kovacs and no one at that spot next fall.

Furman I agree with though.  Hopefully he picks up the schemes and puts on weight and becomes a solid LB.

TheOracle6

September 17th, 2010 at 2:55 PM ^

I'm sure we will get some news to clear the air on this soon.  I was and still am very excited about Davion Rogers.  The kid has a great frame, and putting him through a year or two with Barwis and you never know how nasty this kid could be.  Hopefully he got his issues taken care of and will be on the roster at some point.  If he's on campus and practicing that would lead me to believe that he's still a part of this team.

Tater

September 17th, 2010 at 3:28 PM ^

Is there any way we can have some kind of agreement to not personally insult individual players as long as they are a part of the program?  I am of the opinion that once they are officially gone, they are fair game, but it seems that a few people have been picking up "lost" golf balls while they are still rolling lately. 

I'm one of those who never boos the home team.  I may boo the refs, I may boo a play or  a result, but not the team, and certainly not ever an individual player.  I think it reflects poorly upon the fanbase that it would boo students who are between 18-23 years old who think they are giving their best for Michigan. 

Basically, no player, even one who is screwing off, thinks he is screwing off.  Numerous times, over the years, I have read variations of this quote:

"I thought I was giving a hundred percent, but I really wasn't.  Coach [fill in the name] finally convinced me that what I was giving wasn't enough, and he was right.  Now I am giving everything I have for [fill in the team name]."

Many of these kids come from disadvantaged backgrounds with a lack of positive role models.  It is difficult to model success when one has lived in poverty one's entire life.  When they arrive at any campus, it is a complete culture shock.  Coaches try to teach kids positive habits: some learn early, some learn later, and some don't learn at all. 

AFAIC, while they are still here, I strongly feel that a fan who cares about the program and its welfare shoud refrain from personally insulting its players.  Also, if they leave in a classy manner for honest reasons, I feel that they shouldn't be insulted, either.  The only ones I feel deserve to be criticized are those who intentionall burn bridges on the way out. 

Your mileage may vary, but I think it would be a very nice unofficial policy to take it easier on those who are currently trying their best for the program: even if we can "see" that their "hundred percent" isn't really a hundred percent.