bdwiese

June 7th, 2010 at 4:53 PM ^

I've loved watching you hate on Scout for a bit now.  Say what you want, but there hasn't been a single site that has been more accurate than GBW on many occasions and a single person who has been more accurate than Sam Webb.  If you don't think so, just name where I'm wrong.  Sorry you can't afford the $9.99 a month

"hate, hate, hate, hate, hate"

chitownblue2

June 7th, 2010 at 5:00 PM ^

  1. I almost never talk about Scout. Don't know what you're talking about.
  2. I never said Webb was wrong. I said that Birkett was merely regurgitating what Webb said, and passing Webb's open-ended conclusion ("we'll see what happens) as a certainty.
  3. Oooooohhhhh - you called me poor!

 



bdwiese

June 7th, 2010 at 5:16 PM ^

You're right, poor was a little bit of anger on my part.  My apologies.

As for your comment about me being a "Scout guy", why should it be used in a negative context?  I merely said Birkett echoed what had been said on premium sites, which, if you believe Dorsey's coach in the ESPN article that was just posted, was correct (and I can't stand Birkett, so by no means do I think he didn't lift that info from Sam).

Magnus

June 7th, 2010 at 4:30 PM ^

1) I agree that it's most likely not related to grades.

2) Michigan might not be one of them.  I guess we might find out for sure depending on what happens with Dorsey . . .

zerocool

June 7th, 2010 at 2:29 PM ^

If we are going to go through the process of cleaning up the atletic department, seems like we could add the admission process to the list as well.

I would hope that there is a process in place for the admissions office to weigh in on potential recruits before RR pulls the trigger with an offer.  To ensure all parties are informed.  RR an company can extend the scholarship knowing that the recruit has some work to do for admission and the athlete can choose to accept the scholarship and put the work in or make the choice to go elsewhere. 

I do not want to believe that UM is extending scholarships and the athletes are assuming that as long as they clear the Clearinghouse they are in.  I do not like the trend(Witherspoon, Witty and possibly Dorsey)

WolvinLA2

June 7th, 2010 at 2:34 PM ^

Problem is, a majority of our offers are out before a player finishes their junior year, meaning they have 3 semesters worth of grades left and maybe they have an ACT/SAT score and maybe they don't.  We would be way behind in offering a lot of players and we would lose out on a lot more guys than we do with the current system. 

MGoViso

June 7th, 2010 at 4:24 PM ^

Aren't written offers no more binding than verbal offers, they just give the family a document to show everyone that Coach X is a dick if he doesn't honor the offer? Not certain about this, but I definitely read it on some parent's recruiting blog.

Tacopants

June 7th, 2010 at 4:19 PM ^

Since Michigan really doesn't evaluate 9th grade, offering a Junior before their school year starst generally means they've only completed 1 year of school, with 2 years left to go.  Concieveably, this should give them incentives to pick up their schoolwork in order to make it over the NCAA and school requirements.  I mean, even if a kid is barely passing (1.0 GPA), there's still a very good chance they can improve over 4 semesters to reach the required 2.5 GPA.

mtzlblk

June 7th, 2010 at 3:58 PM ^

would be to establish some sort of framework or guidelines between admissions and the coaches as to what kind of mix of grades and scores are minimums, so the coaches can gauge more reliably when assessing a recruit whether or not they have a good chance of meeting the criteria by the time theyn graduate.

MGoPacquiao

June 7th, 2010 at 2:45 PM ^

Does anyone know how the application process works for these guys?  Do they only turn in the app after they sign the letter?  I'm guessing that's gotta be true for at least some recruits, since so many change their minds at the last minute.

I agree the system needs to be improved, but I don't think admissions should have to accept every recruit, just because he wants to come to Michigan.

MCalibur

June 7th, 2010 at 2:58 PM ^

Absolutely agree. For some reason, that thread got pulled. I wish there was a method for mods to post their logic for why a thread gets pulled. That way people who participated or were interested in the tread would know what happened or why the thread got killed and not make the same faux pas the in the future.

jmblue

June 8th, 2010 at 9:40 AM ^

I said this in a thread last week, but if we're going to recruit kids, then we should admit them. 

The problem with this idea is that we normally start recruiting the kids long before we'll have any idea if they'll be qualified.  Should we automatically admit a borderline kid when he's a junior, only to see him end up ineligible?  This is something that happens to lots of schools; it's life.

Magnus

June 8th, 2010 at 6:11 PM ^

When I said "recruit," I meant "accept a LOI from."  I guess that was a little bit unclear.  If you offer a kid in September and he accepts, Rodriguez and Admissions still have from September until the beginning of February to determine whether he can be admitted or not.  If January comes around and he's not in good academic shape, then you can call him up and say, "Sorry, kid, but it doesn't look like it's going to work out."

gdavis23_goblue

June 7th, 2010 at 2:12 PM ^

Like they said before that Sam Web quote was not correct he did not say he wasn't going to be here .. So when i look at this article and he did qualify that is great news to Michigan .. I believe michigan has waited as long to clear him as they did probably to see if his grades would go up at all .. They probably asked him to try hard his last semister to see what level he could be at if he was pushed .. IMO he will be blue at the end of the day

joeyb

June 7th, 2010 at 2:13 PM ^

Sorry, but that article is doing nothing but misconstruing a quote of a quote from Sam Web. I don't get how Sam Webb saying that things aren't looking good for him turns into:

"Sam Webb -- by way of MVictors -- reports that Dorsey will not be on campus this fall"

Sam never said that.

The fact that Birkett says that grades are in order probably means that it's a test score holding him back and that it was low enough the first time(s) around that there is not much of a chance to bring it up enough to get in.

gdavis23_goblue

June 7th, 2010 at 2:19 PM ^

If he toook the ACT maybe he just went in and just took it didn't try that hard and wanted to see how he did to get by. I mean if he went in as a JR. took the test got a 17 and was fine with it because he would get into almost all school with his ability and that score then he probably didn't care to much . i think anyone that tries hard a puts in the time to study could pull off a 23 and i'm sure michigan would let him in with a 23 .

gdavis23_goblue

June 7th, 2010 at 2:32 PM ^

People in not trying to say 23 is good . or bad . but what i'm trying to say is someone with his skills and a 23 would be able to get into Michigan .. and ya we would never get into michigan with a 23 heck i know people that didn't with a 28 lol but the point is i have good faith that he would get in with that score ..

Togaroga

June 7th, 2010 at 2:58 PM ^

...and you may come from a difficult background, that made academic success something less than a foregone conclusion.  But, I know that getting a 23 on the ACT is very very difficult for some students.  I have seen good students, 3.0-3.5 GPA students, not do better than 21 on the ACT.  I think you're being unrealistic to think "anyone that tries hard" could score a 23.  If he scored a 17, and test score was the hold up, a 19 or 20 would likely get him in, and that may be possible. 

psychomatt

June 7th, 2010 at 2:21 PM ^

It's like at the end of of the 2007 season, we slipped into an alternative universe.  I am also beginning to have a lot more sympathy for ND's hell the past 17 years.

chitownblue2

June 7th, 2010 at 2:21 PM ^

A very quick google shows that his high school's last day is friday...which would suggest that his final semester grades are not in...which would suggest that anybody speculating as to whether he qualified is probably full of shit.

MGoShoe

June 7th, 2010 at 2:32 PM ^

...you know how that school operates, this is not dispositive.  My son just graduated from his high school on 6/4...but grades 9 - 11 don't finish until 6/11.  We know his final GPA and class rank now, but school isn't over.

It's pretty useless to speculate, but whatevs.

sheepman

June 7th, 2010 at 2:24 PM ^

Why the hell did we all decide to reside in the football camp of one of the greatest academic universities in the world dammit?

It will be heartbreaking if he doesn't come.

 

edit - this will be heartbreaking until RR has a better handle on who he can and cannot get in. Did this happen with Lloyd much?

chitownblue2

June 7th, 2010 at 2:32 PM ^

IF this is true, which I have some skepticism on, I sort of agree with Magnus.

For instance - Stanford's admissions rejected a number of Harbaugh's commits prior to signing day. IF Michigan admissions has rejected him, that would imply that they don't care what his academic performance in this final semester is, as their decision is being made without it. If that's the case, why couldn't they just say "Look dude - we're not letting this guy in" BEFORE a LOI was signed?

WolvinLA2

June 7th, 2010 at 2:39 PM ^

Maybe I misunderstood what Magnus was saying before, but if the situation is "no matter what this kid does from now until fall, he won't be accepted to UM" then that should be said prior to an LOI.  I agree with this.

What I took Magnus' point to be was that if a kid wasn't solidly cleared by Feb - even if he could make up for it between then and Sept like Gallon and Turner did - then he shouldn't get an LOI, and I disagree with this. 

chitownblue2

June 7th, 2010 at 3:08 PM ^

I agree with your point re: Gallon/Turner.

I think that UM admissions SHOULD, in that case, be able to say "If you achieve X, Y, Z this semester, you will be admitted". Maybe they did that hear, and he failed? I dunno.

Magnus

June 7th, 2010 at 3:25 PM ^

Maybe I was unclear in my original post, but that's what I meant.

If a kid's final transcript is required for admission, then that's fine.  Everyone has to get enough English credits, math credits, history credits, etc.

But if admissions is saying, "Regardless of how you do in your final semester, we're not going to let you in," then it's a waste of time to recruit those kids.  And since these reports have been popping up prior to the end of Boyd Anderson's school year, that seems to signal that it's something BESIDES grades that is causing the holdup.

MGoShoe

June 7th, 2010 at 2:42 PM ^

...I agree with.  If U-M Admissions is going to act like Stanford and Northwestern instead of like pretty much every other FBS school, than it ought to be working hand in hand with the coaching staff to vet recruits in advance.  If this isn't already the case, the process for evaluating academically marginal student-athlete candidates should be formally documented and its execution should be auditable by the Provost's office. 

Erik_in_Dayton

June 7th, 2010 at 2:49 PM ^

we're seeing another disconnect between Coach Rod and a part of the school (and I don't mean to blame either side).    The gobluewolverineblogwhatever link above suggests as much, though it's hard to know when those guys are just flat-out full of it. 

 

Edit: Here is the link

http://gobluemichiganwolverine.blogspot.com/2010/06/mailbag-question-dem...

MCalibur

June 7th, 2010 at 2:53 PM ^

By the time the LOI is signed, the kid should be vetted and prepped to be rubber stamped once he qualifies. Since Demar was such a late breaking recruit, maybe this is indeed the case; not sure how rushed Witty's recruitment was.

I sure as hell hope that Michigan is not so bureaucratic that a colossal waste of time like this is allowed to occur on a regular basis. We've been recruiting guys since before it was "legal", surely we've been down this road before. However, given the state of affairs in communications within the AD, I wouldn't be surprised if the admissions hand didn't know what the recruiting hand was up to. Just one more thing for Brandon to iron out.

umjgheitma

June 7th, 2010 at 2:44 PM ^

EDIT *annual* top level results without top level talent. I know Michigan has a high standard placed on academics, and with a good situation, like RR is trying to create with study session, maybe Dorsey will do well. However, what's the big deal having like 10 sub-par (academically) students helping your football program get into the spotlight when you have ~38,000 others helping keep it's reputation as an elite institution for higher learning? 

Seems like it's a small price to pay for bringing in extra prize cash for the school (especially if this playoff system gets put into place).

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=Ak1Zj4UcOwppd33fZ4g8ukU5nYcB?slug=dw-expansion060610