aaamichfan

March 23rd, 2010 at 2:07 PM ^

It's funny that all the starters are being reinstated, while the 2nd and 3rd string guys are "leaving the team". I'm interested to see what type of suspension Dell and Cunningham receive for lying to Dantonio about involvement.

Geaux_Blue

March 23rd, 2010 at 4:09 PM ^

the Michigan football program is stocked with kids getting second chances for crimes worse than following their buddies into a bad situation. what people are failing to do is separate the actions of those who faced criminal charges and sentencing for HITTING and those who faced probation for being there during the hitting.

what in the hell should Dantonio have done for four kids who got probation for their minor roles in an embarrassing event? MSU already lost 8 kids out of this. ripping into the school for daring to list them on a roster when Grady was welcomed onto the team for worse is odd to say the least.

watching your friends/teammates hit random guys they weren't even looking for is now worse than drunk driving?

aaamichfan

March 23rd, 2010 at 4:16 PM ^

First, I'm not entirely sure which Michigan players you are referring to with crimes worse than conspiracy.

Second, the suspension wouldn't be for the dorm massacre. It would be for lying to their coaches about involvement, which enabled them to both play in the bowl game. This is simply not something he can allow then to get away with. Terrible precedent to set.

Geaux_Blue

March 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 PM ^

not currently. hence program, not roster.

also i would LOVE to know what suspension/ramifications you think appropriate. if Dantonio is stupid enough to blindly give these kids four months suspension and no bowl game for lying, it's his bed to lie in. in the meantime i hear nobody explaining how much FURTHER they think the penalties should have gone.

Geaux_Blue

March 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 PM ^

when in the HELL did being so drunk behind the wheel that you are arrested ASLEEP in a running car become less of a 'oh no' crime than showing up to a fight and not taking a swing?

your priorities, or blue glasses, are way off.

Geaux_Blue

March 23rd, 2010 at 8:24 PM ^

Wyoming Police pulled over the 22-year-old as he drove south on Byron Center Avenue SW near 44th Street in a 2007 GMC Yukon Denali just before 2 a.m.

According to the ticket issued to Grady, he had a blood-alcohol level of 0.281. Michigan's legal definition of drunk is 0.08.

Driving while drunk at THREE TIMES the legal limit is, YES, worse than being present at a fight.

http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/judge_found_kevin_grady_unable.ht…

mother of god.

WolvinLA2

March 23rd, 2010 at 7:13 PM ^

You really think this is nothing more than an "embarassing event?"

And yes, I do think that this is worse than what Grady did. What Grady did was by himself. One person doing something wrong is one thing, but a group of players getting together to intentionally break the law is another thing altogether. That shows a problem with the culture on the team, not just an isolated incident.

WolvinLA2

March 23rd, 2010 at 7:25 PM ^

Thanks a lot. He's a favorite for the class of 2028. Word is he's a Michigan lean, due to family connections.

I'm not sure what his first word will be, but you can bet his first sentence will be "Go Blue." If everything goes as plans, his second sentence will be "Lane Kiffin is a douche" which is sure to please his USC grad and arbitrarily UM-hating uncle.

What am I saying, by the time he can talk Lane Kiffin will be gone.

TIMMMAAY

March 23rd, 2010 at 7:37 PM ^

Best of luck to you, I'm sure you'll do fine. I've got my eight year old almost as hopelessly in love with all things Michigan that I think I'm creating a monster. In a good way though.

So I take it the Summers Eve stuff was pretty good then?

WolvinLA2

March 23rd, 2010 at 8:23 PM ^

When I said "by himself" I meant that he didn't encourage a bunch of his teammate buddies to do it with him.

And you're right that it would have been a different story had he hit someone. But he didn't. Crimes are treated differently based on the result. If I shoot a person and kill them, or I shoot at a person and miss them, it's a very different crime. Don't give me a "well what if Grady would have kept driving and hit someone" argument. What if the MSU players would have kept punching and killed a kid? See, it doesn't really make sense.

tn wolverine

March 23rd, 2010 at 2:09 PM ^

Let's face it wouldn't we only be surprised if he actually showed back bone and sent them out the door. He's already set the precedent once you serve your prison time you'll be welcomed back with open arms. It's the University of Tennessee form of discilpine.

tn wolverine

March 23rd, 2010 at 2:27 PM ^

I guess you missed that the other two players involved in that incident are playing in the NCAA tourney. Also that of the 4 players involved in the first incident only one was kicked out of school (though another chose to transfer). (sorry I'm an excellent speller but a hunt and pecker so...)

Tater

March 23rd, 2010 at 2:12 PM ^

Note the absence of editorializing. Whenever a story about Dorsey or Feagin came up, RR was criticized for giving them one chance. So far, I have seen no such criticism of Saint Dantonio giving multiple chances to jailbirds.

saveferris

March 23rd, 2010 at 2:18 PM ^

Small clarification. What chance did Feagin get? We've already established here that his record was pretty clean coming into school. The second he got into trouble, he was gone.

But I'm with you Tater, the double standard is infuriating.

ShockFX

March 23rd, 2010 at 3:31 PM ^

Are you Tom Cruise in Minority Report?

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guess you shouldn't be allowed to drive, you might break the speed limit.

Dear MgoBoard,

Stop making character judgments about young men you know absolutely nothing about, just because they come from a different background than you and act differently.

Signed,
ShockFX

jtmc33

March 23rd, 2010 at 2:25 PM ^

Tater, you are looking at this rationally ---- not how these stories are being manipulated by the local media to form the "truth" in the public's eye:

1a) These Sparties pled out... they admitted they did it and admitted they were wrong. That is the right thing to do. They served their time and should be commended for taking responsibility.
1b) And good for St. Dantonio for his support... when you see only one set of footprints in the sand it's not because Coach abandoned you, it's because Coach was carrying you. That's team. That's love. Second chances are good (unless you are a third stringer).

2) Obviously Dorsey lied and hid the truth when he refused to take responsibility. He got lucky with an acquital because everyone knows he is a criminal. RR awards kids that get away with crime by paying for their college just so he can steal a 4-star athlete.

Geaux_Blue

March 23rd, 2010 at 4:00 PM ^

it's a variation of Fuck/Marry/Kill entitled "Felony/Misdemeanor/Killer"

"I take Cousins for the Misdemeanor because it'd probably be, you know, protesting an abortion clinic.... and... Dantonio for felony AWESOMENESS .... and I think Greg Jones might kill someone on the field this year bc OMGREGJONES"

MGoAndy

March 23rd, 2010 at 2:16 PM ^

"It draws our team together.."

Well, I'd think the collective search for replacement WRs (see Nichol) would have also drawn the team together.

Michigan Stadium will be fun for those boys next season.