November 30th, 2012 at 2:37 PM ^

That will be a pretty huge visit day.  If we don't get a hello post (or at least Hello (again)) I'd be very surprised.  At the least, we should have our fifth OL after that weekend.


November 30th, 2012 at 2:56 PM ^

I know this has been kicked around the board quite a bit lately, but I'm confused as to the adoption of the "Texas" rule.  For several years, Mack Brown has been rigid about his no-visits rule.  If a recruit commits and then takes a visit, he's out, period.  Hoke seems to be going with a modified Texas rule, to the point where I don't see how it's a rule at all.  Rather, it seems a kid can commit to Michigan, take a visit and merely spend time in a dog house (Dawson) or suffer no consequences at all (Conley).

At this point, I would have to say I'm not for or against a "rule", but if he's going to have one, Hoke should stick to it, or not have one at all.

WRT Dawson and Conley, they both seem like good kids.  Why handcuff or cause angst or bad feelings with a good kid?


November 30th, 2012 at 3:06 PM ^

A basic explanation of what I think the policy is:

A kid commits to Michigan. (Hooray!) Said kid wants to take other visits for whatever reason. He has options, but first:

1. If you visit you will no longer be considered committed. As in the coaches won't keep a spot for you. If someone else committs, you're SOL

Then I think it depends on HOW the kid goes about his other visits.

2a. Talk to the coaches. Explain that you might want to see what other schools have to offer. The coaches will explain #1. If you still want to take visits and understand that you won't have a spot. Go visit.  - This is what Conley did. While he decommitted, the coaches probably told him "we aren't saving you a spot, but we'd still like you on the team. Take your visits and get back to us. If we have room, you're welcome to recommitt".

2b. Don't talk to the coaches (Pharoah Brown). Burn your bridge and they're done recruiting you. Sorry champ.

Dawson seems like he fell somewhere between a and b, but he's obviously been communicative enough with the coaches that they are continuing to recruit him.


November 30th, 2012 at 4:01 PM ^

I think you're over complicating it (it's really not complicated, not sure why so many people are confused).

I think Brian nailed it in the latest UV. You're either

"COMMITTED: Keep out of trouble and keep your grades up and you will be in the class. We will stand by you if you have a bad year or get injured. You do not take visits to other schools. If you do, they automatically move you into the other category.

UNCOMMITTED: If you have an offer they'll continue to recruit you but they can revoke that offer at any time until they move you into the other category by mutual agreement. If your leg explodes tough cookies."

Once you get back into UNCOMMITTED, getting your offer pulled is just something that can happen as part of being in that category, same as anyone who hasn't ever committed. Whether it's your spot getting taken or because the coaches don't like you anymore because you tried to pull a fast one doesn't matter. Also, just like anyone who hasn't ever committed, if you get your offer pulled, it doesn't mean you can't get it back if another spot opens up or you mend fences with the coaches.


November 30th, 2012 at 3:07 PM ^

I don't think a coach ever publically said what the exact rule is. Second, I've been under the impression that the "rule" isn't you visit somewhere else and you're gone, but rather, visit elsewhere and the coaches reserve the right to keep recruiting others at your spot.


November 30th, 2012 at 3:12 PM ^

What is so hard to understand?    For every player that gets a scholarship, there were another 100 who wanted that spot, knocking on the door. And that its hard to fully evaluate players who are 17 years old, they'll likely have a short list at each position, with their preferable order.  So, if a player is visiting other schools, we'll visit the others on the list, as there isn't much of a discernable difference.  Now, when you have an uber-elite recruit, they are obviously given a little more leeway, as they should.    Hoke plays this exactly how it should be.

E. Gordon Gee

November 30th, 2012 at 2:58 PM ^

Am I the only one that wants this kid to pick a damn school and just commit already? Yes, he's between Ohio Steate, Michigan and others but please Conley for the sake of a fanbase just do it. MgoBlog and Elevenwarriors has been flooded with forum topics about this player commiting, decommiting and now visiting Michigan... 

I'll step off my soap box now. 


November 30th, 2012 at 3:26 PM ^

17 year old would just get tired of listening to 2 major coaching staffs praising him and thousands of fans clamoring for your choice. Just call Brady or Urb to tell them "I'm tired of your attention." /s

Big Ten Network should start a reality series for these turf battles ...

E. Gordon Gee

November 30th, 2012 at 3:22 PM ^

Rivals has him listed as a CB in the recruiting class. I'm assuming that he'll play that position wherever he ends up. Is there a deficiency for Michigan at this position with anyone graduating or does UM plan on using him at a different position? This is assuming he picks UM...