Conley Taking Visits

Submitted by umuncfan11 on October 5th, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Per Bill Greene.

Bill Greene ‏@BillBankGreene

Gareon Conley will visit Cincinnati tomorrow. Says he's solid to Michigan but parents want him to take a few Trips Oregon coming in Monday


Sounds like he was having a hell of a night too.

Bill Greene ‏@BillBankGreene

Massillon moving at will on Fitch early. Up 7-0 early. Billy Price being doubled. Gareom Conley needs doubled. Not able to check him


Gareom Conley scores again. Massillon up 21-7. Could be 35-7. Fitch D getting ripped. Conley is a stud Michigan fans.


And Gareon Conley just caught another TD bomb. Not a typo. Massillon pimp handing Fitch. 28-7. And they've left points out there.


Now we have to sit back and see what happens with that commitment. Disappointing because I think Conley is a real player.



October 6th, 2012 at 1:56 AM ^

That's kind of the point.  They're saying, don't commit to Michigan unless you are ready to COMMIT TO MICHIGAN.  Everyone hates on Treadwell because he hasn't committed yet, but I respect the fact that he wants to look around FIRST before he makes his commitment.  Conley made a commitment to Michigan and is now having second thoughts, okay I get where he's coming from, but Michigan isn't going to hold his spot for him.


October 6th, 2012 at 8:42 AM ^

Who said they didn't visit other places?  The unofficial visits were all the rage last spring.  Most of our early commits had either visited other schools or had been a fan of UM for a long time.  Just because they didn't get a free trip doesn't mean they didn't visit.  Some kids wanted to get the process over quickly.


October 6th, 2012 at 3:05 AM ^

I've yet to see a company  "we'll hold a spot for you indefinitely."   Do you really think that every company you've ever applied to work for would hold that position indefinitely?   I'll give you a heads up, even if the don't tell you so, waiting long enough will result in your spot being filled. 


October 6th, 2012 at 12:04 PM ^

It's not at all like your gf going out with the parents. It's going out on a date with another guy, knowing he's going to try and recruit you away....and letting him take her to his place. Yours would be a recruit taking a trip to Disneyland, and running into Lane Kiffin there and listening to what he has to say.

And in the latter, if you go in and say "I agree to take the job", sake hands, but haven't filled out the paperwork with human resources, and then go hear a competing company's sales pitch after the first company has stopped looking to fill the position, they're going to be pissed. Unless you are clearly the top in your field, good luck getting that job.


October 6th, 2012 at 10:49 AM ^

Actually you're both wrong.

You only take visits if you're interested, so your analogy is just as bad as his.

What it's really like is going on a date with another women while you are in a committed relationship.

That's the perfect analogy, so you guys can end that discussion.



October 6th, 2012 at 12:11 AM ^

Why should we trust them? They're kids, who are looking at maybe switching their commitment. Would your gf trust you if you wanted to date other girls? If she did, everyone would laugh at her.

If Hoke let everyone take visits, and then when they committed elsewhere he said, "but I trusted you!" what would you think about that?


October 6th, 2012 at 12:49 AM ^

Since everyone seems to be into comparing this situation to a dating relationship, I'll pose my view. I would rather find out if my fiancee was "committed" to me before we got married. Now this does not mean I need her to sleep with or date other guys to find out, but if she wasn't solid on getting married, then I would prefer it to find out she wanted to do those things now rather than after the marriage. So if I were in that situation where I knew my "fiancee" wanted to go on a "harmless" date with a guy friend, I could either say no (the Hoke policy), or say go ahead, just talk to me afterwards (the Kiffin policy, ok not a great analogy but whatever).

So if I had Hoke's policy, she might do it anyway and have a horrible date, but since I dumped her, she is too prideful to get back with me and she ends up picking a douche (MSU, OSU) to get back at me because I was too controlling. Or she would not go on the date, and we end up getting a divorce because she always had a feeling that there was something else out there for her, in doing so, wasting both our time.

And if I had Kiffin's policy, after the date, I would be able to get the "last" date and at least know where I stand (and yes, this is assuming the "fiancee" is honest with me).


October 6th, 2012 at 12:56 AM ^

I get your point, but think of it like there is a day when you HAVE to get married (NSD). If you let your wife go on dates a couple months before that date, and a couple months later she bails on you, you're fucked. You need someone on that wedding day. Unlike marriage, having someone on that day is way better than no one, so if your fiancée wants to date, you say OK, I'm finding someone else.


October 6th, 2012 at 1:12 AM ^

If my fiance wasn't solid on getting married, why would she say yes?  That's the point of the situation.  Hoke is saying he wants the kids to be sure before they tell him they are going to go to the school.  Sure there may be some pressure to commit, but that's the choice they make.  If the kids want to be part of the class, than they are committed to Michigan.  If they want to look around later, than so can Michigan.  


October 6th, 2012 at 1:48 AM ^

It's like Hoke sort of saving a spot for someone, then someone better falls in their lap and they dump the first kid they accepted a verbal commitment on. If a spot is saved, it is saved. If a kid commits but keeps looking, he isn't quite sure. The staff needs to know the kid is on board. It's not a "fuck off" at all. It's a clear policy. You really can't bitch about the rules that are set and out in the open, especially if you chose to play by them (by committing to a school with the policy)


October 6th, 2012 at 1:56 AM ^

In what you have to offer, you live by the policy and don't get hung up on one kid.

Right...Hoke and co. are shaking in their boots with insecurity that John Q. Player may not stay if they visit. He is totally insecure. Right..makes perfect sense.

Sorry..that makes no sense. He is decisive. It is the policy. That's it.


October 6th, 2012 at 12:28 AM ^

So you are legally bound to your wife while you are engaged?  If I dated other women while I was engaged, my fiance would have dumped me just like I would have dumped her if she did the same.  Eventhough we weren't legally committed to eachother, we were committed by our intentions.  That's what a verbal commit is, the intention to sign on the dotted line.

I think Conley should do what he wants to.  If he wants to visit Cinci or Oregon, or Tiffin, he should.  If he feels that he needs to look around, by all means he should.  That doesn't mean that Michigan needs to wait while he decides.  He may not make up his mind until December or January.  They don't want to get caught trying to recruit a lesser recruit if he decides to bolt down the line.  I don't want to see him go, but that doesn't mean I think a particular player we are still recruiting is better.


October 6th, 2012 at 5:28 AM ^

I agree with this. It is the intention by both sides to commit to each other that is what Hoke stresses. I don't see the issue with Michigan and a prospective athlete having this verbal mutual understanding but is this a legally binding agreement? Of course not.

Also, +1 for the Tiffin reference.


October 5th, 2012 at 11:40 PM ^

I respectfully disagree. Michigan is a national brand that can recruit kids from across the country. It may sound harsh, but the coaches don't want to be jerked around by a recruit who's only trying to save himself a spot in case plan's A, B, etc. fall through (Not saying this is what Conley is doing, but there are recruits like this).

If a recruit wants to take a visit or two, that's fine, but they need to know that their spot might not be available the next time they call. Conley obviously knows our recruiting situation, and if someone like McQuay or Treadwell fills his spot, that's that.

We had 25 commits last year, and have one of the biggest classes so far this year as well. It doesn't seem unrealistic to me is 48 players in the past 2 years have committed knowing the coaching staff's stance on visits.


October 6th, 2012 at 12:01 AM ^

Listen...harsh truth time here.  Michigan used to be a national brand when it came to football.  Lately -- and by lately I mean the last 10 years, and especially the last 5 -- that brand ain't what it used to be.  Due to the rise of the SEC, and several poor seasons, the brand doesn't have the clout it used to outside of the midwest.  For the entire high school (and part of their middle school) careers of these kids, Michigan has been terrible at football -- one top 25 finish since 2007, and that was last season.  And outside of the flury of Florida kids under Hoke, we seldom recruit outside of the Midwest.  This class has three.  The one before had three.  I wouldn't really call that recruiting nationally.  Go back and look at some of the 2006 or 2007 clases.  Now that was recruiting nationally.  Now?  Not so much.


October 6th, 2012 at 8:51 AM ^

When you say something trolly, you can't just say, "it must be the TRUTH, because the truth gets marked 'trolling.'"  That's like me saying, "I knew Kate Upton would reject me, because most women are intimidated by guys who are 5'9"." It may be true in some cases, but Occam's Razon suggests other explanations might be more reasonable.


October 6th, 2012 at 10:32 AM ^

Give me some facts to refute what I said so that its not "trolly."  And your analogy is wrong.  Its like saying, I know Kate Upton is into 5'9" guys with out having any sort of proof that she's actually in to 5'9" guys.


October 6th, 2012 at 12:18 AM ^

This class has kids from Colorado, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, NorthCarolina and Maryland. But only three from outside of the Midwest?

Anyway, your point about us not being great in the last few years doesn't matter. We're a school people recognize and want to go to. Even so, Hoke has a very straightforward policy. Commit to us, we'll commit to you. It's the most fair.

Mr Miggle

October 6th, 2012 at 12:40 AM ^

to your posts without questioning your intelligence. You've called the staff stupid and cowardly.and attacked the program's reputation. I guessed we must be doomed to mediocre or worse recruiting classes then. Either that, or something about this issue turns you into a trolling moron. Pretty much nothing you've said makes a bit of sense.


October 6th, 2012 at 10:44 AM ^

Unlike the rest of you kool-aid drinking idiots, I look at things rationally.  You all believe that "oh, Brady Hoke -- who is decended from Christ himself -- said it, so it must be fucking gospel."  There's absolutely no quetioning anything this staff does.  At all.  If you try and post any sort of contrarian opion on this board, you get voted down.  Blind optimism and blind faith rule the day around here.  So if you want to question my intelligence for using rational thought and looking at things from a different angle, then fine.  I could realy give two shits.  

In my opinion this whole board of posters is just bad as the fan bases (ND, MSU, OSU) they rip down.  I love Brian and the contributers content, but goddamn you people are just idiots.

And for the record, I think calling Ohio State "Ohio" is just a stupid childish thing to do.


October 6th, 2012 at 1:07 AM ^

When RR was coaching he was criticized for overlooking local prospects to focus on national recruits. You say 2007 was national recruiting, but so was 2008, and 2009, and 2010. JB Fitz, Stonum, Tae Odoms, Denard, Lewan, Smith, Roh, Gallon, and Dileo for example. 2011 was a frenzied last minute class, but in 2012 and 2013 Hoke has offered 193, and 135 kids from across the entire country. Hoke's taken 16 commitments from outside the B1G so far including Countess, and Bellomy, Chesson, Pipkins, and Magnuson, Poggi, Hurst, and Chris Fox, and will likely get 3 more.

Here are his 2 full class offer lists:

Most of the top national prospects offered kept Michigan in their top group until the end last year, and this year we're close to landing the top WR in the entire country, the top RB in the entire country, and the top FS. All of them nationally recruited. We don't seldom recruit outside the midwest, we regularly do. The coaches cast a much wider net than most schools like Texas and Florida do for recruits. 

I think you need to take another look  before declaring the coaches having tunnel vision when it comes to recruiting as an undeniable fact. It takes a pretty active imagination to find fault with the coaches pulling the #21 class at the 11th hour, the #7 class, and now potentially the #1 overall class. 


October 6th, 2012 at 1:07 AM ^

Is that it goes both ways.  You say you're committed to Michigan, and it's your spot, unlike what goes on at other schools.

That said, these are high school juniors, primarily, when they make what is, to date, probably the most important decision they've ever made.  And some of them will make a decision that one or both parents don't agree with, for whatever reason, and that needs to get hammered out sometime.  Other times they'll make a decision and regret it themselves.

I hope Conley stays because I think he's a great player, and it's impossible for me to believe he wouldn't love MIchigan, because who couldn't love Michigan.  But that said, it's better for him to be honest that he's unsure he made the right decision, as opposed to next summer, or in two years.  And, if in the time that he's looking at other schools, his spot is filled, that will potentially be unfortunate for him, but it will have been his choice.

Black Socks

October 5th, 2012 at 11:35 PM ^

His best option is to come to Michigan.  Obviously he wants to take visits so that's tenuous.  

Make no mistake we lost a stud last year in Brown, and Conley is really good as well.  I still think he goes to Michigan but possibly losing a player to Cincinnatti or Oregon is a joke.  I live near Eugene.  


October 5th, 2012 at 11:39 PM ^

I believe Gareon is the kid with mom living on the West Coast who is encouraging visits out that way. Too bad a kid is being pulled in so many directions, but he shouldn't have committed to a school if he thought he may have second thoughts about it.