readyourguard

December 16th, 2012 at 11:46 AM ^

I'm surprised by the news of JT, but Hawthorne has displayed some questionable behavior on the field throughout the season.  Hagerup?  Well, this isn't his first time around the block.  I have to believe his leash was already shortened quite a bit.

Jon06

December 16th, 2012 at 11:58 AM ^

but i also noticed his crazy play. his kickoff coverage only occasionally resulted in a tackle, but a lot of the time he would just demolish whoever tried to block him. there were a few games this year where other teams' players got penalties, or should have gotten penalties, for retaliating on subsequent kickoffs after getting owned by him. once, the other team got a penalty because he responded to an attempted double team by destroying the first blocker and tackling the second in a way that made it look like he was the victim. i thought the guy had leapt on hawthorne with some sort of flying scissors kick, but after i watched the replay, it was pretty obvious hawthorne had just attacked the dude.

justingoblue

December 16th, 2012 at 12:00 PM ^

I don't think it has anything to do with this news, but he did take a completely boneheaded penalty on a kickoff against Nebraska.

As a reminder, can we please keep this discussion to facts at hand and speculation involving the big green field with white lines and hashes? I'm sure details will be reported quickly, no need to try and guess what bad events might have transpired at this point.

chewieblue

December 16th, 2012 at 2:33 PM ^

Hawthorne getting owned on knockoffs a lot more than he made plays. Not that this means anything about the suspenison, but most of the time his behavior was a bit embarrassing. I can recall more than one bone-headed penalty on him and he could have called a few more as he after the whistle or ran his mouth.

Magnus

December 16th, 2012 at 12:13 PM ^

Hawthorne has always been an up-and-down, emotional player.

Furthermore, I fully believe that he would have played more throughout his career - especially over the last two seasons - if not for attitude issues.  I don't know if he played a single down of defense this year, even in blowout situations.  When Greg Mattison was asked about Hawthorne, Mattison almost seemed angry when he responded about Hawthorne needing to be "more physical."  His response hinted to me that it was not only about physicality, but some underlying issues there.

Magnus

December 17th, 2012 at 10:00 AM ^

I think part of it is about physicality.  He's not the most disciplined player.

But maybe you're right - these coaches never say one thing publicly and then do something else.  Like when they dressed up what's-his-name in the #32 jersey to hide the fact that Jordan Kovacs was injured.  Or when they said Ricky Barnum was the team's top option at center, and then put in Elliott Mealer for the entire season.  Or...

chitownblue2

December 17th, 2012 at 10:18 AM ^

Lets not twist this. You said that Mattison's comment that it was about physicality hinted that it was not about physicality.

Your statement was not "it's about more than physicality". It was that Mattison, by explicitly saying it was about physicality, was implying the exact opposite. You used his quote, that was the precise opposite of your belief, to support your belief. I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm saying that using Mattison's quote which directly contravenes your belief as a supporting argument is absurd.

Magnus

December 17th, 2012 at 11:16 AM ^

Look, it's obvious you're just looking for things that I say to criticize.  Here is my direct quote from the post you're talking about:

"His response hinted to me that it was not only about physicality, but some underlying issues there."

I don't know what to tell you other than to suggest that maybe you should read more carefully or research how "not only . . . but" statements work.

Magnus

December 17th, 2012 at 11:48 AM ^

This is a nice way of glossing over the fact that you misread my post and then attacked me for it.

I'm not going to be responding to you past this point.  I've wasted enough time on the topic, and frankly, there's no point.  Your opinion is yours, and mine is mine.  That's the end for me.

FreddieMercuryHayes

December 16th, 2012 at 12:12 PM ^

There could be many reasons why Norfleet was moved the corner, but if it was because one player is gone for one game, it's not for depth. We still have Avery, Ricardson and Hollowell, plus Wilson has played nickel corner as well. That's plenty of depth for one game. I think the move more gas to so with the future; I don't think the coaches are happy with the DBs in general considering the extreme amount we're recruiting.

Leaders And Best

December 16th, 2012 at 12:30 PM ^

We now have only 4 CBs on our roster (Taylor, Avery, Richardson, and Hollowell).  Wilson is in the two-deep at safety and can't be counted on to play CB. We are now down our 2 opening day starters at CB (Countess & Floyd) and lost CB depth with transfer of Talbott and Carter. This move makes perfect sense for a one game bowl situation. The coaches have to prepare for the possibility of multiple injuries.

There is a reason we are taking 4 CBs in the upcoming class. We have no depth there. It has nothing to do with the players that are already there.

Magnus

December 16th, 2012 at 1:33 PM ^

The WR has 8 catches this year, and the lineman is a redshirt freshman who doesn't play.  I don't really think those suspensions cancel out the loss of our starting cornerback and starting punter.  Hell, Hawthorne is more impactful than Kyle Harris (South Carolina's lineman).

denardogasm

December 16th, 2012 at 11:46 AM ^

Floyd would be one of the last people I'd expect this from based on what I've heard from him in interviews and whatnot.  I guess I probably would have said the same about Fitz though... College kids will be college kids I suppose.  Good thing SC's passing game is pretty weak.

beevo

December 16th, 2012 at 11:46 AM ^

..plus kid is from South Carolina.  He will regret this for a long time.  Also, isn't the second incident with Hagerup?  Will, the Outlaw Punter.....strongest leg in the Wild Midwest!

 

bluewave720

December 16th, 2012 at 11:59 AM ^

I am not doubting that the punishment is the right call.  I just wish for Floyd's sake, he wasn't involved in something that required this kind of punishment.  As much heat as that guy has taken in the past several years, he had a really good season.  It would have been nice to see him have one last solid game.  
 

greymarch

December 16th, 2012 at 11:47 AM ^

Suspending seniors, before a bowl game?  This is more than a violation of team rules.  I gotta think these kids broke some laws.

Hagerup has been in trouble multiple times.  Seems like this becomes more than a suspension for Hagerup.

stephenrjking

December 16th, 2012 at 1:54 PM ^

Why? There are some rules that, no doubt, merit an automatic suspension no matter what year you are. Are you saying Hoke should just suspend the rules for guys who are seniors?

We don't know what it is, but there are a large number of perfectly reasonable explanations that justify the suspension without being "larger." Would anyone be shocked to hear that a senior got a little loose with his academics and wound up in eligible, for example?