More info please!?!
Some similarities but a lot of differences too. OSU is a much higher profile job, and the number of incidents, the time period it covers, and most importantly, the lying in public statements makes this more complicated. I still think Meyer keeps his job, but his image is going to take a huge hit after this.
I think MacIntyre also reported the allegations to his superiors as well.
This is the main difference between the two cases. Meyer actively covered up the allegations and subverted the reporting policies as laid out in his contract.
Will this lead to Meyer’s termination? Probably not, because as was posted on twitter and linked on this site, Ohio State has no interest in doing the right thing, as evidenced by hiring Meyer in the first place.
And the CU events took place over the course of a couple months, and the controversy was over the fact he was allowed to coach in a bowl game.
Zach Smith was hired at OSU with Meyer having knowledge of the 2009 incident at Florida, and then protected at least for the the last 3 years from the 2015 incident. Outside of both being related to domestic violence by an assistant coach, this is comparing apples to oranges.
Given all the info provided in the OP, it's tough to say for sure.
Hold on. I’ll let you know after I read all the information you provided pertaining to the Colorado situation.
This describes the CU incident: https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/02/03/colorado-football-joe-tumpkin-assault-case
The result of the investigation: https://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/12/cu-punishments-after-handling-joe-tumpkin-case/
CU timeline of events:
Former University of Colorado football assistant coach Joe Tumpkin resigned from his role as the team’s safeties coach when reports of alleged domestic abuse against an ex-girlfriend surfaced in January. Below is a timeline of the investigation’s development:
Feb. 27, 2015: According to Tumpkin’s ex-girlfriend, first assault occurs in Broomfield.
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Dec. 9, 2016: Sports Illustrated reports CU head football coach Mike MacIntyre learns of allegations; the woman explains the abuse to Coach MacIntyre over the phone.
By mid-December, MacIntyre and CU Athletic Director Rick George know of the allegations but Tumpkin is allowed to coach in the Alamo Bowl against Oklahoma State on Dec. 29.
Dec. 20, 2016: Ex-girlfriend files complaint with Boulder County court, judge grants temporary restraining order.
Jan. 6, 2017: George and MacIntyre learn of the temporary restraining order against Tumpkin, who is then suspended.
Jan. 10: Broomfield Police Department confirms criminal investigation into domestic violence allegations against Tumpkin have been opened; George says Tumpkin has been suspended indefinitely from the program.
Jan. 27: Tumpkin resigns as safeties coach, upon CU’s request.
Jan. 31: Tumpkin charged with five felony counts of second-degree assault, three misdemeanor counts of third-degree assault.
Feb. 3: CU Chancellor Philip DiStefano says university should’ve acted sooner when it learned of the allegations; apologizes to ex-girlfriend in statement.
Feb. 6. CU says DiStefano and George approved of decision to allow Tumpkin to coach Dec. 29 Alamo Bowl game. CU said it didn’t know the restraining order request had been filed.
Feb. 16: DiStefano says he didn’t report the domestic violence allegations because he didn’t think he had to.
Feb. 18: CU hires two lawyers to investigate how the chancellor, athletic director and head coach handled the domestic violence allegations.
June 12: CU President Bruce Benson announces DiStefano will be suspended for 10 days and MacIntyre and George will donate $100,000 to support organizations fighting domestic violence. Both will be issued letters of reprimand.
+1. This man details.
What d'ya know? DiStefano is an OSU grad.
Similar but Coach Mac at CU was extremely close to losing his job. He wasn't safely considered retained at any point of those investigations. If OSU wants to use a similar strategy, go for it but something tells me there's still information out there we don't know and don't forget about that clause that says he must divulge Title IX information to his employer.
That clause is important from a legal standpoint but I wonder if he will try to play the "my wife never told me" card which seems implausible.
But are there emails and/or texts on the matter between them?
Lying to the press is not illegal, of course, but raises the smarm level to about ear deep. The optics of Sherry Meyer getting canned but Urbie staying on would be terrible. Not to mention a lawsuit against her and the university by the victim.
But this is the school that only grudgingly canned Tress, though, so anything could happen. I wouldn't put it past Gene Smith.
Colorodo? That's a very goofy name
The comparison is broken down on the Eleven Warriors site.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/08/94830/colorados-mike-macintyre-case-gives-precedent-for-the-current-urban-meyer-situation
That is a terrible comparison. Whoever wrote that should be embarrassed.
"Whoever wrote that should be embarrassed" would make a nice subheading for that entire site.
Knowing the individual involved in the Colorado incident there are differences. One of the differences is how things were handled behind the scenes.
The time it took them to take action was one of the worst parts. He was told directly from the person what had happened and he went up the ladder. He then, I’m sure at the behest of the university, stopped communication with the victim. Tumpkin served as DC for their bowl game and it was still a few weeks later, more than a month after being told, he was fired.
I can tell you that MacIntyre is still upset about what happened and feels like CU did not back him up and left him out to dry because of this. He was looking to leave after last season and if they would’ve won their last game he would’ve been hired by Ole Miss. but they lost and he is still at CU where he doesn’t want to be anymore. It’s kind of funny because the only way he can leave is to ha e success
How can you possibly make a post with so little information? Only the space between your ears rivals the lack of substance here.
Easy on the OP. Not a terrible topic as this is becoming a talking point in the last 24 hours, especially among Meyer defenders. Another article by Pete Thamel (man who built his career by licking Urban's nuts) also sets up what I believe may be OSU's defense to keep Meyer:
Most interesting part is the setup they are doing here. Now I'm 95% sure he stays.
From a legal standpoint, the Title IX expert said that Shelley Meyer’s role at the university doesn’t make her a mandatory reporter. “This one is interesting,” the lawyer said. “It doesn’t appear she has supervisory duties. That’s a key point under the policy. They have different reporting requirements for different categories of employees.”
According to a legal health care expert in Ohio, Shelley Meyer’s status as a registered nurse does not obligate her to report domestic violence allegations to police. If Courtney Smith was her patient, she could not legally report the allegations to police. Since she was not her patient, there’s neither a prohibition or obligation to report.
My guess is Thamel was connected to these "experts" by Meyer or someone working for Meyer.
That was my take as well after reading that. Urban denies that Shelley Meyer ever told him about 2015 and uses that to explain why he said he did not know about 2015 incident at Big Ten Media Days. Shelley Meyer claims she does not have an obligation to report under her job description. OSU closes the case with maybe a suspension for nonconference games and a fine. There are still a lot of other holes they have to cover up, but those are probably the biggest.
The main difference so far is that rather than saying he knew and didn't report because he didn't think he had to, urban is saying he didn't know.
Whether that's true, or if the university buys it or thinks the public will, or whether he changes his tune if direct evidence emerges is a different story.
Can I buy an “A,” Pat?
I think "vaguely similar" would be a better description.
Gene Smith put Urban on paid leave so he could let the propaganda machine give him justification to keep Meyer. F that whole university.
There is no way it will be up to Gene Smith.
Except it's not similar. Bucks fans are reaching with this comparison.
Did Ohio State know they could get Meyer when they fired Tressel? It seems obvious that the institution hasn't really changed after the issues with Tressel, but I do have to say that they fired Tressel when it was unavoidable. I'm not clear on whether they knew they had a great replacement lined up or if that was after-the-fact luck.