College Basketball Open Thread: Miami Upset by Georgia Tech
Thought I'd create a thread for the rest of the action tonight. #6 Miami just lost at home to Georgia Tech which should help Michigan for seeding.
#5 Georgetown and #13 OK State already went down.
EDIT: And #23 UCLA goes down by 12. Another one bites the dust.
EDIT: It's done, #12 New Mexico wins by 13. No upset here.
EDIT: It's over, Xavier beats #16 St. Louis 11 in OT. MOAR UPSETS!!!!!
The upsets keep coming.
Moral of the story: it's hard to win on the road
IL and MN are playing themselves off the bubble.
No way. They're both in and can almost say they're in easily, too.
If Minny and Illinois are on the bubble, then the Big Ten would be on the verge of getting 5 teams in. They deserve all 7 of these teams.
I hear ya. It'd be a bit different or even unorthodox, if things weren't trending that direction these days. I made a point earlier about Iowa in the other thread. They could finish 9-9 with 20 wins, beating Nebraska Sunday, and most aren't even rating them a bubble team. They could still finish 6th in the Big10 and again, are still not be seen as Tourney team: weak non-conference SOS, not marquee wins, couple bad losses, etc..
Essentially, and this was written to me in the aforementioned thread and I happen to agree with it, the old ways of getting to .500 in conference and 20 wins but not having any great wins and having bad losses and a weak SOS, really doesn't cut it anymore. So if all that is true, then teams that are sub-.500 in conference, but maybe have the 20 wins, but out of those 20 wins are some really good ones and a SOS that very few can match, that will make the cut.
I think Minny and Ilinois are a lock. I could be wrong but I think there's no chance in hell those teams won't be Dancing in two weeks, no matter how bad they finish the season. If those two were to not make it, again, that would leave 5 BigTen teams in the Tourney (assuming Iowa doesn't creep in somehow, again, even finishing 6th most don't think they'd get in) which would be a slap in the face to the Big Ten.
Minny and Illinous are locks. Not even close to the bubble.
As big as our home/away delta is, Minnesota's is far greater. Last week they scored 77 and beat Indiana. Tonight they scored 51 and lost at Nebraska. Crazy.
So if we beat Indiana we should have a decent shot at being a one seed. yeah or no?
Why not?! Throw in the hypothetical games coming up in the BTT, how wouldn't a win Sunday at least catapult them, not assure one, up to the lines of the 1's?
I was trying to be funny but that evidently did not work. Apologies.
To the jackass rampaging through the thread(s)...Please go run into a knife.
...and make it to the Championship game of the B1G and we're a 1-seed.
OR
Beat IU and make it to the semi and hope Duke or Kansas lose once or twice between now and then.
Duke's got to play UNC, one of the hottest teams in the country. Then the ACC is a lot more balanced than people realize.
Duke, UNC, NC St. and Miami are legit contenders to win that conference and I don't think any one of them has a clear advantage. Then you also have teams who can win a game or two and upset one of those "big 4."
As for Kansas...I just don't think they're that good. I think they SHOULD be the best in the Big XII, but I'm not betting that they can win 3 conference games in a row vs. decent to good teams.
In the end, Michigan (and us fans) can't worry about anything else but winning the next game. Unfortunately we put ourselves in a position where we have no cushion if we want to be a 1-seed, a high 2-seed, a B1G Regular Season Champion, a Final Four contender...
...it was a lot easier to look ahead, or check out all the projections when we had some cushion, but now we've got to fight like a bubble team. We're like the bubble team of the ELITE status. Not trying to get into the Tourney, but trying to do BIG things this season and reach that true "next level."
Just going by the rankings if we beat Indi we will at a minimum be #5, but you'd have to expect #3 or #4...can't imagine it would take much in the B1G tourney for us to snag that top line, I think going 2-1 would seal it
Agree that Minny is an enigma but....our team just lost to 0-14 Penn State and then beat a top-10 Michigan State squad in the same week, followed by going up 15 then down 12 then comin back for a 5 point win over Purdue. We're as much of an enigma as any team this year.
we've been very consistent, but our high level of talent allows us to escape some situations where a less talented team (Minnesota, Illinois, etc.) wouldn't be able to
playing for a victory dinner on Senior Night.
314lbs of awesome.Wow, didn't know Miami was in trouble. I've been watching the Nebraska-Minnesota game and loving it!
Edit: Looked at the play-by-play..Miami loses off a tip-in rebound/miss.
Miami and Georgetown going down help us for a possible one-seed, have to take care of business against Indiana at home though.
We aren't a one seed now. We would need to beat Indy and win the BTT to get consideration for a one.
If we beat Indiana and win two games and get to the finals of the BTT, I think we could get it regardless, espcially if some of the other potential 1's lose early in their tournaments.
I agree, regardless of everyone else a win Sunday and 2-1 in the BTT gets us a sure 1 seed, win Sunday and 1-1 in the BTT with some help from other tourney's could still see us on top. Hell as crazy as it sounds that #1 overall seed is lookin a bit snagable at this point with a BTT championship ;)
Sorry, but this is absurd. Even 3-1 in our next four likely does not get us a one seed, and the #1 overall seed is not even in the picture. Have you forgotten about Gonzaga?
I agree about the overall #1, but I do think 3-1 gets us a 1, or at least a very good shot. That would include a win over Indiana, plus most likely a win over MSU/OSU/Wisconsin as well. And since our championship game is so late on Sunday, it's very possible the committee doesn't even consider the outcome in seeding, they've done it in the past.
Also, consider MSU last year. They were a 1 seed last year with 7 losses, including losing their last 2 B1G games, and having just lost Dawson to injury. I think us with 6 losses would be very comprable to them last year, with a weaker field of 1 seeds to boot.
Well 3-1 means beating #2 Indiana, a sub par/middle B1G team, and a top teir B1G team. I think that puts us on that one line for sure, especially when Duke loses to UNC, but perhaps even wothout that. And you think Gonzaga is a lock for #1 overall? Hell no, hell no
Do you think Gonzaga is going to lose, or do you think the committee is going to deny the #1 team in the country the #1 overall seed?
The second option please. They will get the one seed, but if Indiana beats us and wins the tourney or if we beat Indiana and win the tourney Gonzaga won't have the #1 overall. Am I predicting this to happen? nope...but it is possible
Jumping in for no other reason to say that I won't be shocked if the Zag's lose a game. I'm personally one who thinks they're legit, but I wouldn't rule out anyone losing this season, no matter the conference/conference tournament they play in.
...I know this is so off-topic. Y'know, some of you need to get a fuggin' life
(full disclosure: I'm a BYU grad as well as UM grad, so yes, total homer. But this is definitely NOT outside the realm of possibility for the reasons stated in my other post, namely Vegas is practically home court for BYU in the WCC).
You think the committee uses the polls for seeding?
the headchair of the committee have said that he will use KenPom and Sagarin ratings to help guide his seedings. That is good news for B1G because there are a lot of B1G who are ranked highly (8 in top 50 in both ratings).
the headchair of the committee have said that he will use KenPom and Sagarin ratings to help guide his seedings. That is good news for B1G because there are a lot of B1G who are ranked highly (8 in top 50 in both ratings).
How could ANYONE forget about Gonzaga?!
Half the teams ahead of Michigan are going to lose. Hell Miami and GT already lost tonight. If Michigan beats IU, they're already a high 2-seed. At that point it'll just be...get to the B1G Champion Game or get to the semi's and hope a few more teams ahead of you (Duke, Kansas, etc.) lose.
Um I just said if we beat Indy and win the BTT we would be a one seed.
we might not pass them even if we win ours, though I'd guess we would get a significant portion of #1 votes...
I still think it would be tough for us to reach that one seed.
Win or lose on Sunday, Indiana will be a one seed. I feel like that is a lock. Gonzaga is pretty much a lock seeing as they won't lose in their weak conference.
That leaves two spots up for grabs for Kansas, Michigan, Duke (or Miami), and Louisville (or Georgetown)
Whoever wins their tournament will fill the final two spots. If we do that, you can bet your ass we're in. Even if other teams in that list win their tournaments too.
I'm not sure IU is a lock to get a #1 seed. If they lose to us, they'll have dropped three of their last four and will have six losses overall. If they lose one more game in the BTT, I could see them dropping down to a #2 seed.
They lost to Florida Gulf Coast, Indiana State, Wake Forest and now Georgia Tech. Wayyy too many bad losses to be considered a #1 seed.
If they win the ACC tournament, you can pretty much guarantee them a #1 seed regardless of those losses.
ACC is terrible. Miami, Duke are locks to be in. NC State and UNC should be in. Virginia is a bubble team. However, all except Duke(if you count UVA as a bad loss) have terrible losses. No way that ACC should have 2 teams earning #1 seed. If any, B1G deserve to have 2 teams earning #1 seed and it is still possible considering the strength of the conference. They beat up on each other and their record reflects the strength of the conference.