February 1st, 2019 at 5:21 PM ^

EDIT NOTE: I checked with the original poster, got his source, and edited the original post to include where he got it. This post came down while I checked it out. FWIW I heard the rumor too but not from multiple sources or the usual channels.


February 1st, 2019 at 5:25 PM ^

I don’t know if this is true but if it is have we ever had this many players leave the program over a 4 year stretch? I get the fact that harbaugh is the best we can get blah blah but this has to be a record number of transfers in 4 years. Does anyone think, dare I say it, this may have something to do with harbaugh. Even if it is a team violations thing that doesn’t bode well for the head coach no matter who it is. Oh and let the “we lost our top 2 rbs” excuse commence for 2019 when our QB struggles passing the ball. 


February 1st, 2019 at 6:07 PM ^

I don't think there's any way to address that question other than looking at each individual case. Sometimes people transfer because they can't get out of the doghouse or stay out of trouble. Sometimes people transfer to be closer to home. Sometimes people transfer because of the depth chart.

If you look at the 2016 class that Harbaugh brought in, Asiasi (homesick), McDoom (playing time?), Crawford (playing time?), Walker (uhh...JUCO), and Kingston Davis (uhh...JUCO) transferred. Dytarious Johnson didn't make it academically, Nate Johnson got in legal trouble, and Elysee Mbem-Bosse had some personal stuff going on.


February 1st, 2019 at 8:45 PM ^

Granted I know nothing of the violation or what's happening, but from all accounts Evans has been a model student athlete as evidence of his literal blue collar shirt he wears to symbolize his desire to work, his community involvement coaching youth football, and his track record to date of no prior violations.  Plus, he's slated to be the #1 guy on the depth chart going into next season so it's unlikely he'd be transferring for playing time.  So, something major must have happened, but it's odd for a guy who from all we've seen so far seems like a model student athlete and a good player.

You Only Live Twice

February 1st, 2019 at 5:50 PM ^

I don't know what happened, did not even click on the story to find out.  If it's true we'll find out soon enough.  As far as your statement "this doesn't bode well for the head coach" actually it does bode well.  Whether it's for rules violations or voluntary seeking of playing time elsewhere, a certain amount of shuffling every year is expected and does "bode well" for a competitive program that does things the right way.  This isn't PSU, MSU or OSU.



February 1st, 2019 at 8:48 PM ^

a certain amount of shuffling every year is expected and does "bode well" for a competitive program that does things the right way. 

I'm beginning to think JH and our staff don't give enough preferential treatment to established players and the whole "competitive spirit" may turn off some of our better players who may feel they've already earned the right to their spot, and in some cases rightfully so.  


February 1st, 2019 at 9:18 PM ^

Mgoeffoff, yeah solid point...but is Evans TRULY elite? or as good as we have right now? Even Rashan Gary, yeah he was the top recruit, he played solid and drew a lot ,of doubles, but he was 'hurt' a large part of this season, wasn't playing at 100% and was likley headed to the NFL this season anyways...did we lose a lot there? I pretty much expected excellent or not he was gone by the end of this season. We aren't beating the best of teams because we don't yet have the BEST of talent...for some to choose to leave it's not the end of everything. 

To your point...if it does happen to the top guys, yeah that will be a problem. But Shea sticking around, Winovich sticking around...I doubt it's Harbaugh 100%


February 2nd, 2019 at 1:38 PM ^

We aren't beating the best of teams because we don't yet have the BEST of talent

The only team we've played in the past since JH has been our coach that had more talent than us according to 247's team talent composite is FSU in the '16 Orange Bowl and OSU every year.  However, we've outranked PSU, Wiscy, MSU, ND, Florida, and South Carolina 100% of the time, yet are only beating them about 30% of the time.  It's not a talent issue according to recruiting rankings.

if it does happen to the top guys, yeah that will be a problem.

It happened to 5-star Aubry Solomon, 4-star James Hudson, high 4-star Drew Singleton, high 4-star Kareem Walker, 4-star Kekoa Crawford, and there are rumors about Tarik Black (who seems like our top WR).  And those are just the 4 and 5 star guys from the last 2 years.  That's a pretty significant chunk of the top half of our recruiting classes.



February 2nd, 2019 at 3:24 PM ^


 "...we are only beating them 30% of the time."

Your math skills are very, very bad.

Against ND, Wisconsin, MSU, PSU, Florida, and SC, Harbaugh has a winning overall record while at Michigan. 

Against just the B1G teams you mentioned, he is 7-4.

If you remove 2017, which was a disaster for O'Korn reasons, he is 7-1 against said B1G teams.

If you remove 2017, he is 8-2 against all teams you mentioned.

So, basically, shut up. You're not judging things objectively.


February 1st, 2019 at 7:03 PM ^

So look at other top programs and look at their transfer rates. Look. The fact is, Michigan is over-signing. Recruit a ton of kids, push out the kids who don’t cut it. That’s how the top tier of college football works. 

Many of the kids leaving are guys who never play. The rest seem to be guys stuck in rotational roles at best. Those are going to be the guys that get processed or at least see the writing on the wall in addition to normal transfers.

Gentleman Squirrels

February 1st, 2019 at 5:26 PM ^

If true our RB situation becomes dire. Wilson will be the only back with significant experience. Turner will get significant snaps along with Charbonnet. Fortunately Charbonnet enrolled early. Hopefully Barrett and Haskins move back to RB.