Erik_in_Dayton

November 29th, 2012 at 5:23 PM ^

OSU should be glad in a sense that their perfect season is protected by the bowl ban.  I suppose I could see them beating ND, but OSU is not one of the best five teams in the country in my estimation.  I think they would be smoked by Alabama, for example. 

DealerCamel

November 29th, 2012 at 5:45 PM ^

Projections suck, though.  Many teams probably would be smoked by Bama, but then many factors go into who wins each game.  Bama probably beats A&M 70% of the time but we know what happened there.  Until two teams actually play you can never really say for certain who "would" win, because depending on a number of factors, either team "could" win.

EZMIKEP

November 29th, 2012 at 5:44 PM ^

The article sickens me. Show a little humbleness and then at the end revert to winning is everything. No matter if its without integrity.

If I grew up watching Bo kick Ohio States ass and then POOF it was all taken away from scandal and threw a dark cloud over the program in terms of moral integrity then I'd hate him. Because I'd never EVER have a conversation about anything we did ever again without CHEATER getting brought up.

The fact that they homered that slimy bastard a year after he was caught and disgraced the program is insane. It fits them well. No matter what anyone says.

If Michigan ever reaches the mountain top again and wins a national title in the future I will take great pride that they did it the right way.

Who else can say that??

Tater

November 29th, 2012 at 8:48 PM ^

I agree, EZMIKEP, and that is exactly why I take Chris Webber to task every time he is mentioned here.  Even when things suck at Michigan, we have always been able to say that we cheer for a team that does things right: at least until Webber arrived. 

But I would still like to see paying players made legal so Michigan can compete on an even playing field with teams that chronically cheat and refuse to stop, even while on probation.

Logan88

November 30th, 2012 at 9:01 AM ^

Honest question: Do you believe that the NCAA changing the rules to provide a monetary stipend for college athletes would prevent rogue teams from providing additional benefits on top of the allowed stipend to their players? I don't.

Nothing would really change except that the players would now get their legally sanctioned pay plus their improper benefits and the teams that are willing to provide those extra benefits would still enjoy a recruiting advantage over the teams that do not.

 

Glen Masons Hot Wife

November 29th, 2012 at 5:48 PM ^

An Ohio State fan is disgusted with Tressel, then sees him being honored, still can't help but like the guy.

This post is being used as an excuse for us to check out this guy's web site.

I guess I wouldn't mind so much if the article didn't feel like amateur hour.

Michiganmad

November 29th, 2012 at 5:52 PM ^

I can't wait until Ohio gets caught again. The NCAA will no longer be able to turn a blind eye to anymore rules infractions. I would be very concerned if I was a Ohio fan with Urban Meyers as coach.

trublue616

November 29th, 2012 at 6:37 PM ^

This story started out o.k and then went to shit REAL fast. F* you Gene Smith, F* you Jim Tressel, and most importantly, F* the whole state of Ohio and their truly shitty ass fan base. May that dark cloud loom over your shit hole of a university!! Cheaters!!!

Itsahilger

November 29th, 2012 at 6:51 PM ^

Ohio State fans and the Joe Paterno followers at Penn State are in a league of their own. Never have I seen people not "get it" and celebrate the people who knew full well what they were doing (or weren't doing) was wrong.

HarBooYa

November 29th, 2012 at 7:40 PM ^

There is exploitation of kids for your own self gratification/aggrandizement/personal benefit and then there is child rape.  I kind of hate both of them, but definitely hate the folks covering up the child rapist more.  That said, having the stones to walk out on the field along with the same kids you stole the opportunity to play for a national championship from....brass man...classless brass.  He should have personally apologized to each of those seniors and he had no business being on that field or near that stadium.  Maybe in ten years, ala the Fab 5, but not the year after and not in front of kids that don't realize how bad he screwed them.  Shamefully unethical behavior and obvious that instead of repairing a flawed culture around that program history will eventually repeat itself there.  At least, PSU took down the statute of Joe Pa.

MGlobules

November 29th, 2012 at 7:11 PM ^

does a U-turn and expects the reader to respect him. Guess his brain works a little bit different from mine. Tressel on the shoulders of his old team in front of 100,000 adoring fans that just got f'd over by him was one of the most numbingly distasteful moments of mass stupid in any sector of American life that I can remember. When people begin to glory in immorality we've got problems. 

And blaming Gene Smith INSTEAD of Tressel? Really? There's a reason you have to be smarter to get into UM. 

buckeyejonross

November 29th, 2012 at 7:11 PM ^

I understand the Michigan perspective, I really do. But implying the entire 10 year Tressel reign was dirty because of his final year is silliness. It's possible it was dirty, but, and hear me out, it's possible it wasn't too. The NCAA conducted investigations multiple times since 2002 over smoke, and as far as they're concerned, the only thing Ohio State did in that timeframe that was punishable toward the entire institution (not just one player acting out) was Tressel (who was fired) lying about his players eligibility for only the 2010 season. That's it. I know Michigan fans feel better assuming we cheated the entire time and 9-1 is just a fake number but really, ask yourselves, if the NCAA found X happened after an investigation at Oklahoma, would all of you assume Y happened just because? Or do you only think that because we are Ohio State? That doesn't mean Tressel wasn't a cheater for 2010--he was, but it also doesn't mean he cheated from 2001-2009, because the NCAA found no evidence to that point.

MGlobules

November 29th, 2012 at 7:17 PM ^

and the lying on top of it. People don't become wildly curious about how virtuous you were the rest of your life when you make clear you are a bum. No one gives a crap whether he was OTHERWISE clean or not, especially when he made a big shuck out of his godly virtue. Too many of that kind of lizard around to begin with. 

Njia

November 29th, 2012 at 7:57 PM ^

I know it's fashionable to make that point, but consider a case where a spouse has been caught cheating and insists, "I have never done something like this before, I swear!" If you're the philanderer's wife or husband, do you believe the line? You might, but what if other people stepped forward and said that they, too, had been with your spouse? What if you had found suspicious credit card receipts, emails, texts, phone calls, etc. Would you still believe it? You might not have DNA evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt, but the circumstantial evidence would still make a pretty strong case.

jscbus

November 29th, 2012 at 7:37 PM ^

Sort of this. It's more a knock on the fan base, since the majority of Ohio fans still defend Tressel's involvement in anything...vehemently. Frankly, I'm one to believe that Tressel allowed more wrongdoings behind closed doors more than the contrary, due to his direct lack of accountability and overall surreptitiousness. The fanbase reveres this kind of character, though; referencing the 9-1 record against Michigan as Tressel's primary, notable accolade.

Not seeing the significant ways Ohio could've gained an competitive advantage throughout all those years (even committing "mishaps") is naive/obtuse. It's certainly making the "means" justifiable, and it's bullshit.

Same thing for "THE" OSU, it's not. Because of your undeserving self-sense of entitlement or "achievement", you are considered to be "Ohio". That is all. 

buckeyejonross

November 29th, 2012 at 7:52 PM ^

It's just the University's name, man. I suppose someone could make the argument that Michigan felt all sorts of entitlement and vanity when they put wings on their helmets, because they were better than just "plain" leather. I mean, I wouldn't say that, because it's insane, but it's all perspective. Calling it "The" is harmless.

jscbus

November 29th, 2012 at 8:01 PM ^

Not saying you, in particular, but make sure the majority of OSU fans don't feel the need to inform me every time I say, "OSU" or "Ohio State University", to add "THE". Just like that, too. "THE". And I wouldn't have brought up the helmets, either. Completely different discussion and not too supportable in this case (fans).

TyrannousLex

November 30th, 2012 at 6:15 AM ^

The refers to university, so any university of a state (eg. The University of Rhode Island) needs the article. "University of Rhode Island admits 4,000 students every year." The, when placed in front of a university that also includes State in its title is at best cumbersome. "Rhode Island State University admits 4,000 students every year." Or, "The Rhode Island State University admits 4,000 students every year." The first sentence is better in all regards, and the second is both cumbersome and probably incorrect because the definite article implies that Rhode Island State is the only state university in Rhode Island since the article is seperated from what it would normally designate.

Or,  your university was named by a Slavic immigrant with imperfect English skills, as that's a common mistake of Slavic language speakers in English because the major Slavic languages don't use articles. Russians will slap articles randomly and to great comedic effect.

 

Undefined

November 29th, 2012 at 7:37 PM ^

He offerred an opposing viewpoint on the matter we probably wouldn't otherwise see. I don't see a single problem with either one of his posts, they aren't offensive or meant to stir up issues.

 

I might be alone here, but I enjoy hearing what fans of other teams have to say. Even the Buckeyes.