Chad Ford Says Moe Wagner Will be Moved Into His Top 20 Draft Prospects List On Monday

Submitted by MichiganStan on March 19th, 2017 at 11:59 PM

Happy for Moe for his hard work being recognized but damn Im so excited to see what Wagner, Wilson, and Rhakman could do as our big 3 next year. It'd suck if he left for the draft after this year

I personally hope he stays to develop his game one more year. I'd hate to see him end up like a Stauskas or GRIII who could've obviously used more college time to develop but left early because the draft experts said they were ready

He also said DJ Wilson helped his stock a lot today.

 

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/843528500204068864

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MichiganStan

March 20th, 2017 at 12:03 AM ^

Also, I feel like with our Tourney success so far and Beilein really being portrayed in the national media as a caring fun guy (Super soaker/plane crash coverage) I think its increased our chances to land Mohammad Bamba ten fold.

I'd LOVE to see double Mo's, Mo Bamba and Moe Wagner, playing side by side. Itd be the thing dreams are made of

johnvand

March 20th, 2017 at 12:24 AM ^

Quick, lets start the "Darko 2.0" propaganda machine.  I really want to see what a junior Wilson/Wagner combo can do with somebody like Charles Matthews also on the floor.  

MtP Michigan Man

March 20th, 2017 at 10:26 AM ^

would need to hit the side of the backboard with a few shots before anyone going to compare him to Larry Brown's "Human Victory Cigar".  Not going to happen.

Cannot believe still that the Pistons picked him over Carmelo Anthony.  And of course, Chris Bosh was 4th pick, Dwayne Wade 5th pick.  Man alive - that was beginning of the end for Joe Dumars as the GM...

Yeoman

March 20th, 2017 at 12:44 AM ^

...but is it really true that Stauskas needed another year in college? To me it seems like the main adjustment he needed to make in pro ball was to speed up his release on his shot. (Well, OK, maybe that part was easy and it was getting the accuracy back afterwards that was hard.) That adjustment wasn't going to happen until it was forced by the length and speedier closeouts he saw in the NBA; I don't think another year in college would have helped him there.

TrueBlue2003

March 20th, 2017 at 1:43 AM ^

the idea that guys who don't have long careers in the NBA would have had a longer career if they had they stayed in college longer is completely asinine.  Stauskas and GRIII have been practicing and playing basketball against better players for many more hours with better instruction than they would have been allowed to had they stayed in college.

If they don't have long careers it's because they weren't good enough.  Having a long career in the NBA is really, really hard.  It's not as simple to do as playing four years in college.

BursleysFinest

March 20th, 2017 at 2:35 AM ^

Or because staying that extra year allows them to increase their draft stock and maximize that 1st contract.  If he's in the 20's, maybe he should come back to play himself into the Lottery ...but if he somehow plays himself in to the lottery this year, unless he really loves college, I wouldn't be mad at all if he left.     

BroadneckBlue21

March 20th, 2017 at 12:29 PM ^

Hoiberg was at Iowa State, so he got better simply by being Bulls coach? Not all of the best basketball minds are in NBA, which is why Coach K is Olympic team top choice.

Coach B is one of the best teachers in the game at any level. Those NBA coaches not named Brett Brown are not hired to teach, but to win. Darko was a flop because he was raw and many coaches at pro level want ready to play players, not projects. The reason the NBA is not exciting: players lack polished games and rely too much on athleticism.

ironman4579

March 20th, 2017 at 9:27 AM ^

Stauskas' problem in the NBA is mainly mental. He just can't be a starter, for whatever reason. As a starter he shoots 36% overall and 31% from 3 with a 46% true shooting in 28 minutes. Off the bench he shoots 47% overall, 43% from 3 with a 64% true shooting in 25 minutes a game. It's all mental with him.

bluinohio

March 20th, 2017 at 12:55 AM ^

If it's solely because of money, I get it.  If it's because you always had the dream of being in the nba, then stay.  Very few early entries make an impact right away, if ever.

Michifornia

March 20th, 2017 at 2:38 AM ^

Mind his own business!  Those who stay will be Champions.  Unless we win this year, then it will read, Those who stay will be Champions more than once!

GO BLUE!!

AA Forever

March 20th, 2017 at 6:41 AM ^

has even a short streak of really good play, he starts being touted as more likely than not to bolt early for the NBA, even though he's still undeveloped and inconsistent?  And why do teams like Wisconsin NEVER seem to have this happen?  Ethan Happ had a great season, but he won't even consider leaving early.  Hayes has stuck around for four years when he could have left after 2.

uncle leo

March 20th, 2017 at 9:06 AM ^

But Dekker seemed more NBA-ready during his tournament run. I still think Wagner needs another year to fine-tune everything. Both guys have very similar skill sets, but Dekker seemed to play a lot more in control. Wagner still gets WAY too bonkers sometimes. He's at his best when he doesn't overdribble.

uncle leo

March 20th, 2017 at 9:33 AM ^

Is considered a "wing," but he's only an inch or two at most shorter than Wagner. He just seemed a lot more fluid than Wagner at their same point in development.

Again, it is very hard to quantify that but that's what I'm seeing when I watch. I always felt Dekker was in control of himself and I still get very nervous when Wagner starts a move from the top of the key. He's the best when he posts up closer to the rim and/or turns and faces to hit a shot.

Boner Stabone

March 20th, 2017 at 7:43 AM ^

Ask Deyonta Davis if he wished he came back for another year at MSU?  He was supposedly a Top 15 pick that did not go until the 2nd round.  In his case he lost a lot of money.

Ali G Bomaye

March 20th, 2017 at 9:51 AM ^

Sure, but most second-rounders don't get anything guaranteed. Davis got relatively lucky. A case like Manny Harris, who left after his junior year and was undrafted, is just as common. To his credit, Harris has been making a career out of basketball, but he's bounced around the D-League, the NBA, and international teams, which isn't exactly the scenario most guys who leave college early picture when they make that decision.

doggdetroit

March 20th, 2017 at 8:32 AM ^

I think it's a valid criticism. In his Michigan tenure, he's only recruited one truly elite player (McGary). Most of his recruits have been under the radar 3 and 4 star types that take 2-3 years to develop. It's very impressive that he is able to turn these guys into NBA players but when you have guys that jump to the NBA early and you don't recruit elite players that are ready to replace the departing guys on day one, it leads to a lack of consistency or in Michigan's case missing the postseason in 2015 and a first round exit in 2016. This season's B1G title and Sweet Sixteen is the end result of Beilein's development of Wagner and Wilson, but worst case scenario Michigan loses both of them to the NBA along with Walton and Irvin and you are right back to 2015 with an unheralded recruiting class and this year's freshmen class that produced very little. If he was bring in top 5-10 classes every year, Michigan could weather the loss of Wilson and/or Wagner.

 

Ali G Bomaye

March 20th, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^

I was thinking while watching the tournament that an optimal recruiting strategy is to target guys who are highly skilled, but lack some quality that NBA teams are looking for. Obviously it's nice to grab 6'10" guys who can jump out of the building if you can, but they'll probably leave after a year. So it might be better to grab a 6'8" guy who can't jump as high but is a good shooter, because you can have him for 3-4 years.

With a few exceptions, Beilein recruits seem to fit this mold. Derrick Walton is a great college PG, but the fact that he's somewhere in the 6-foot range means that the NBA isn't beating his door down. If he were 6'4", he might have left after his freshman year. Likewise, shooters like Stauskas, Duncan Robinson (I realize he was a transfer), and Wagner aren't immediate NBA risks because they lack top-end athleticism. It takes epic production like Stauskas' sophomore year or potentially Wagner's tournament this year before they're even considered.

Looking at our young guys and incoming recruits, Xavier Simpson is 5'11". Teske and Davis look like good college prospects, but don't have first-round NBA athleticism. Livers is big for a college guy but undersized for an NBA PF. And guys like Eli Brooks and Ibi Watson are too under-the-radar for the NBA to take immediate notice. All of those guys could be four-year players, which is excellent.

BroadneckBlue21

March 20th, 2017 at 12:43 PM ^

Weathering the storm, here? Has UM not been more consistently competitive the last six years than since Fisher?

Is UM not doing better than Duke and Louisville and others this year? Is Wisconsin's roster made of of 5-stars? They just beat Villanova.

Coach B gets guys who he sees as having high-level raw talent, and he gets to work with those kids for years. I dislike the Kentucky and Kansas models--mostly UK. Who wants to root for an entirely new roster every year? Moe and DJ and Walton are great stories--talented kids who developed under our coach, and were not seeking to use UM only as a stepping stone.

SF Wolverine

March 20th, 2017 at 8:04 AM ^

With that out of the way, it seems to me he could use another year of beefing up and perfecting his inside/out game before heading to the NBA.  That is a very different game for a big man.

Blue in PA

March 20th, 2017 at 8:23 AM ^

Wow..... Mo had a HUGE game, it was tremendous..... but Friday he looked like an high school player out there.    

This seems like a bit of an over reaction, no?

jace owen

March 20th, 2017 at 8:38 AM ^

This is only based on articles I have read, but I am more worried about DJ. Moe could be getting paid right now and a cult hero for his hometown German team. I see him enjoying the ride and college way too much.

Its all pure speculation, as they both could go, but think they would profit from another year.