CFP Selection Show Open Thread.

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Noon on ESPN.

This should be interesting.

UPDATE:  Well, that WAS interesting.

 

 

 

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EGD

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^

It doesn't really matter to me that Bama's weak schedule "wasn't their fault." To get in without a conference title, I think you should have to be able to show that you played a killer schedule and did well with it. Putting up a nice record against weak competition and then failing to win your conference should not get you in, IMO.

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bronxblue

December 3rd, 2017 at 2:22 PM ^

I don't like Alabama, but OSU pulled effectively the same thing last year and got in.  Literally the whole argument rests on OU being a pretty good team both years.

OSU's schedule last year was slightly better than this year's Alabama schedule, but it's not like it's night-and-day better.  And while I want nothing but bad things to happen to Alabama, if we went by recent track reecord I trust the Tide way more to not crap the bed in a game than whomever the Big 10 sends, which hasn't scored a freaking point in years.

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EGD

December 3rd, 2017 at 3:51 PM ^

I think your last argument is the most persuasive. I do think the CFP bids should be a reward for the teams that objectively accomplished the most rather than subjective notions of “who’s better?” That’s mainly why I think OSU should have gotten in. But we all saw what happened to OSU last year and this Buckeye team hasn’t given any indication that things would be different this time around. I can certainly understand the committee wanting to avoid that.

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rice4114

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:35 PM ^

From the Florida win. Nobody cares about shouldas. That being said Osus sins were greater than Bamas bottom line.


Although ill say this - if Auburn was number 2 last week (2 loss wins over alabama goergia) OSU resume looks strangely familiar (2 loss with wins over wisky and penn state)

Those resumes are very very close. Lsu and Iowa arent that far apart. Clemson and oklahoma also comparable.

If OSU is dog meat then Auburn should never been #2.

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Michigan9

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:57 PM ^

There is no clear guidelines to making the playoffs. Listening to the committee chair talk is full of contradictions. I’m not saying they didn’t get the it right with the teams but what is the point of a conference championship? It’s who these guys want to place in there at the end of the day without any real explanation.

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Swayze Howell Sheen

December 3rd, 2017 at 12:58 PM ^

I see the good in this - F*** OSU and all - but it seems like there is a real downside too. Conf championships and playing meaningful games should matter. Otherwise, we are just left with stupid "eye tests" and all that BS, and SEC homerism gone rampant.

By the way, I wouldn't wanna be Clemson now, Bama gonna be hungry in that game.

 

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jbrandimore

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:00 PM ^

If instead of scheduling Oklahoma, OSU played Louisiana Monroe or Georgia Southern, they would be in the playoffs today. That’s a disturbing message for the committee to send out. Having said that, hahahahahahah!

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bronxblue

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:05 PM ^

Alabama scheduled FSU, the #2 in the country at the time, for the first game of the season.  I know we all forget that because FSU fell apart, but that was supposed to be a preview of a playoff game.

And OSU also scheduled UNLV, a team far worse than anyone Alabama played OOC.

I don't like either team, but both of them schedule a tough OOC team at the time.  At least Alabama beat theirs.

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G. Gulo of the Dale

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:33 PM ^

It's worth mentioning that the rest of Alabama's non-conference schedule was not populated by mere cupcakes.  Obviously, they scheduled a very talented FSU team who was playing with their starting QB.  But they also played Fresno St. and Colorado St., who weren't simply "Georgia Southern types."  Fresno went to their conference championship game and was ranked #25 last week.  CSU finished 7-5 and was probably at least as good as Illinois and Rutgers, both of whom were on OSU's schedule.

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bronxblue

December 3rd, 2017 at 2:32 PM ^

Probably, though I think people ding them a bit too much for that weird SoCo scheduling thing the SEC does.  Alabama played 3 bowl teams in their OOC schedule and beat them all; OSU played 2 and lost to 1 of them.  That matters, to me, more than the Mercer game.

OSU did themselves in by losing by double-digits to both OU and Iowa.  You don't get two mulligans, especially if you barely beat Wisconsin and Michigan to end the year.  Had OSU run them over and won by 20+, then I could see the committee giving them credit.  

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bronxblue

December 3rd, 2017 at 2:36 PM ^

And OSU played Illinois, which was effectively a bye.

People want to see OSU in because they feel there is some cosmic way that it will benefit Michigan in the future, but I don't see it.  I don't want a team that got blown out by Iowa by 30+ points to get a playoff spot.  Because OSU getting run off the field again by Clemson doesn't do the B1G any help on the national scene, and so when Michigan next needs the benefit of the doubt it's just as likely that voters look at the last 2 years of CFP participation (3 if OSU had made it this year) by the conference and hold that against them.

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G. Gulo of the Dale

December 3rd, 2017 at 3:13 PM ^

Is Mercer probably the worst opponent that either OSU or Bama played?  Yes.

Who are the next three worst opponents?  UNLV, Rutgers, and Illinois. 

Arguably, by the time they played OSU, Maryland might be the next worst, but let's just say that they are equivalent to Tennessee, Vandy, and Arkansas.

Maybe I'm wrong about this, and all of these opponents are various degrees of lousy, but does anyone like the chances of Rutgers or Illinois (or injured Maryland) on a neutral field against even the worst SEC teams?

Obviously, OSU has better wins at the top, but I find the argument that "Bama played only an eight-game conference schedule and a cupcake non-con." to be an unhelpful abstraction.

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bronxblue

December 3rd, 2017 at 2:46 PM ^

That's fine.  As I noted above, Alabama still played better teams OOC than OSU did in totality.  And they beat all those teams; OSU lost to 7-5 Iowa by 31 and to #3 OU by 15.  So great, OSU's loss was to a better team than Alabama's win.  But I 100% beleive FSU would have been an 8/9-ish team with Francoise.  

It's all academic at this point, but I've seen no compelling argument for OSU beyond "they lost to OU".

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G. Gulo of the Dale

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:40 PM ^

The committee isn't simply "sending a message" about what formula to use in the future, because every year is different.  Whatever you might say about the committee, they take a lot of unnecessary flak because everyone wants some universal algorithm that they can follow and apply universally from year to year.  The goal is to be one of the four most deserving teams, relative to the schedules of all the other teams playing that year--and this, of course, is variable.  You can't play "Monday morning quarterback" and say, "if we had done 'x' this year, it would have resulted in making the playoffs; therefore if we do 'x' in the future, it will yield the same result AND THE COMMITTEE MUST PROMISE THIS RESULT."

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Sten Carlson

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:48 PM ^

Well said! Although I’m shocked I’m defensing them, it’s their “blank sheet of paper” ethos. They look at each week, each game, and each team and it’s differrent each year. I don’t necessarily like the two SEC teams getting in, but can anyone really say that Alabama isn’t an all around better team than OSU? You’re right, there is no formula to get in, there are a lot of factors in play. If we want something to look to, be one of the 4 best teams, period. Simplistic. This decision, to me, might see the conferences going away from CG’s and back to a more traditional conference play format.

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Jimmyisgod

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:01 PM ^

So, OSU not getting in hurts out Bowl. Big Ten team in the Orange Bowl means no Big Ten team can be picked for Citrus Bowl. Means only 2 Tier 1 Bowls for the rest of the conferenxe and we can't leap NW or MSU because of conference record. This puts us out of the Outback Bowl and into a lesser Bowl. NW to Holiday. MSU to Outback. UM to???

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WorldwideTJRob

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:07 PM ^

No one can sell me any differently that this is nothing more than 2 ESPN television shows. They front like the committee has all the control, but I think it’s the execs in Bristol making the calls. No playoff matchup is more intriguing than Clemson/Bama III! It will bring more eyeballs to the set than watching OSU get obliterated by the Tigers again.

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samdrussBLUE

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:07 PM ^

UCF had the best season. Only undefeated. Conference champs. They are the champion of 2017. Crown best seasons! Nothing else.

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rob f

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:08 PM ^

Also, though I'm estatic that the buckeyes are crying, go back to hell, Nick Satan. Hoping that Clemson blows you out (and then loses in the Championship Game).

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DonAZ

December 3rd, 2017 at 1:25 PM ^

Well, I'm grateful Oklahoma took care of business yesterday.  An OU loss to TCU likely would have opened the door to OSU and Alabama.

I hate the playoff system ... this whole committee thing reeks of agendas and money ... but that said, I think in this case it was the right thing.  I think Alabama v. Clemson is going to be an epic game (as will OU vs. Georgia), and who the hell emerges out of the back of that I can't say.  Still, good football awaits!

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