CC: A thread for people who still support RR

Submitted by Communist Football on January 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Comrades,

We may be in the extreme minority now, but I think there should be at least one thread on this board for people who believe in the spread offense and believe in what RR is building here.  Let Harbaugh go to the NFL, and have DB force RR to fire the entire defensive staff, including his cherished colleagues from the WVU days.  Our offense is still improving, and our defense can only get better.

If Harbaugh does indeed go to the NFL -- which is at least a possibility at this point -- the likely outcome is that DB keeps RR. Let's make sure that RR knows that we're behind him and are rooting for his success.

Comments

umchicago

January 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 PM ^

i for one thought RR was the best option going forward until the bowl game.  however, after the past 3 games, even i have lost faith.  only the blind can't see the potential of the offense.  and it would be even better next year. 

however, the D is another story.  RR seems too stubborn to get rid of his D assistants.  they have proven to me that they can't coach.  period.  i know the personnel issues.  but even given that, the D has not improved at all.

i look at each D player individually,  i would say that 8 or 9 of the 11 starters are better than avg in terms of athletic ability at their position.  yet, i can't see significant improvement in any of them this year.  i have seen some marginal improvement in a few.  and that all comes down to poor coaching.

i don't think a change in D coordinator is enough.  a month ago, i was in that camp.  no more.  and to force RR to fire all the D staff would completely undermine his credibility.  i don't think it will happen.  i think RR is gone.

that said, if we don't get JH, i hope we do a 180 and hire a D guy like Trgovich(sp) or someone similar.  then he could decide to hire a spread guru to maintain some stability or overhaul the O.  but it should be the new guy's call.

i really think that a coach deserves 4 years, generally.  hell, i was dead against the tommy amaker hire, but even i said he deserved 4 years to get all his players in.  8 years, though, was unbearable.  but there just seems to be too much heat in this kitchen to keep RR on as head chef.  too bad, because he will win and win big elsewhere (like at clemson).

  

M-Wolverine

January 3rd, 2011 at 2:46 PM ^

That the majority has flip-flopped with the minority. I just disagree that they've ever been "silent".  And if they've felt sheepish lately, due to results, they still haven't been subjected to the shouting down die-in-a-fire attitude that has been status quo for the board for most of the tenure now. People see what they want, me included, but I can't concur that "any reasonable questions have been heard fairly", that there weren't shout downs, and that "I luv RR" right beneath it wasn't an automatic pos-bang. I know there were a lot of heave the guy now people who were repetitive, annoying, and just being a dick.  But there were just as many "pro no matter what guys" who were just as repetitive, annoying, and just being a dick. And it was all ok, because they were following the position of the owner of the blog on his own blog.  Now that it's flipped, I would hope some people would save on the "I told you so's" and not in return treat people how they were treated. But I would hope that rather than playing victim, the pro crowd would remember what they heaped out, in an honest fashion. I mean, the first post after the Illinois game was "What do you think of Rich Rod Now?!?!"  (That karma might have been the jinx of the whole season).  And while people rooting for Rich to fail so he would go was wrong, hearing people say "I hope the next guy struggles, just because it would annoy you annoying people"...well, you're kind of justifying the haters who rooted against their own team and Rich, just to prove the crowd that was shouting them down wrong. No one is without sin in all this.  But it's only fair to realize this.

M-Wolverine

January 3rd, 2011 at 3:09 PM ^

I think it was like a lot of the more loyal but not 100% sure fanbase (me included). It started having some doubts, felt better after Illinois for a second, then really started having doubts, was on the fence, and the bowl game...BAM. (I may have started a little earlier with flipping over MSU, but PSU is where everyone really went...really?). So, it's not a Brian flip-flop...but up till today, his stance was still he'd prefer to bring him back. That is a change. (Even if he's been caring one way or another less and less).

And we did have a nice email exchange. (That's why you might think I hate you or something, but it's not the case....just calling out some complaining about content. Difference of opinion). And if that certain thing means "Someone"....I can only say it's been more peaceful since I took your good advice in a post there.  Maybe I/we shouldn't just reply to each other's posts. And it's worked. No 99 post so narrow only one letter in the column posts (like after OSU BB Game last year). I'm not responding unless spoken to.  Or unless something really outrageous is stated. It hasn't been easy at times. (And I've been rooting for you and others by proxy). But it's been for the best. If not for my sanity, certainly for the board.

Communist Football

January 3rd, 2011 at 2:04 PM ^

You're right to say that this blog is generally pro-RR, with an extremely loud anti-RR faction.  But, after every loss, and especially this last one, the antis take over. I accept it -- that's the nature of message boards I guess -- but I think it's important to remind everyone that there remains another point of view.

M-Wolverine

January 3rd, 2011 at 2:36 PM ^

I have no problem with your view. I can't say I agree, but this is not the place to debate it.  That's why I haven't gotten into why it's right or wrong. Just that, as my original gif showed, if you didn't think it was going to deteriorate like every other CC thread, well, good luck with that.  Looks like it has. But it has just really been a place for the last remaining supporters to get their final neg-bombs in, while plussing each other. Which is fine. Take your shot while there's still time. I just meant to act like being pro-Rich was some put upon minority, when they've really been an intolerant majority, seems disingenuous when the shoe is on the other foot.  But I don't think, wording aside, you were doing that, and I may have been reacting more to other people's post in the thread.  Though I stand by the cat...this was and is a predictable clusterfuck.

M-Wolverine

January 3rd, 2011 at 3:20 PM ^

Maybe everyone this thread was meant for is right.  Maybe if things were better, and he could be kept around, we'd reap the benefit. I don't know that we won't any more than they do that he would. But it's certainly possible.  More so if the situation hadn't become so untenable. It's just not going to be a very fun 10 months if we give it a go.

Not sure what I'm refusing to drop - if you mean who gets pos'd and who gets negged, then like I said, we're just coming from different points of view on how balanced it is...that's fine. If you mean that this thread would turn into a mess (which I think you said yourself towards the bottom here), then I'm kinda regretting the cat (not because of the negs, because really, I can spare 10 points or whatever), but maybe I got the thread started on the wrong foot.  But I think it would have turned into this anyway, which was the original point....and I'm not sure how to avoid it. So I left it up and own it.

There's worthless, or repeat content...but you can't say "if you don't want to talk about coaches, don't click it" and not say, "hey, if you don't want to support the coach, don't click it". But on either side of the aisle, there's always invariable a couple of people who use a defense as an attack on other coaches, posters, whatever.  And of course those that have to jump in and say "why do you believe that? That's so stupid". And it always turns into this.

uvadula

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM ^

On board with this. Just look at the top secondaries in the nation over the last couple of years and bring in the secondary coach from that school as DC. Boom, NC.

IronDMK

January 3rd, 2011 at 1:34 PM ^

Will certainly help the offense.  Yes, the offense sputtered in the final 3 games and I think a lot of that is because they could not get into a rhythm.  Keeping the defense on the field for less than 8 minutes a pop would go a long way toward creating/keeping offensive rhythm.

So, yes, I agree that RR would be great to have on board in order to keep the offense ticking.  The defensive staff needs to be completely replaced and RR should allow the DC to run whatever defense he wants.  I think this is the ONLY way that RR would be able to keep his job.  But it scares me to think about what M might lose (players, that is) if RR is not kept.  Already losing recruits.

But I DO think that JH could keep a majority of the players... and I think that Denard would be totally fine in whatever offensive system JH would run. 

IronDMK

January 3rd, 2011 at 1:35 PM ^

Will certainly help the offense.  Yes, the offense sputtered in the final 3 games and I think a lot of that is because they could not get into a rhythm.  Keeping the defense on the field for less than 8 minutes a pop would go a long way toward creating/keeping offensive rhythm.

So, yes, I agree that RR would be great to have on board in order to keep the offense ticking.  The defensive staff needs to be completely replaced and RR should allow the DC to run whatever defense he wants.  I think this is the ONLY way that RR would be able to keep his job.  But it scares me to think about what M might lose (players, that is) if RR is not kept.  Already losing recruits.

But I DO think that JH could keep a majority of the players... and I think that Denard would be totally fine in whatever offensive system JH would run. 

His Dudeness

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 AM ^

I am with you. I am probably the only one left. It's funny how even the best and brightest can be taken over by a rolling cloud of stupidity. 3 years is not enough time for anyone to build a successful program in college football.

turbo cool

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 AM ^

I respect the support you still have for RR. But what is it about next year that makes you think RR will be a success? RR would have to beat OSU, MSU, and get probably double digit wins to hold on to his job after next year. Do you really think that is going to happen? We should cut our losses now instead of just firing RR next year.

PurpleStuff

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 AM ^

And if everyone who wants him gone doesn't think this team can do that, then why are they so pissed that we only won 7 this year?

MSU went 6-6 last year and won 11 games this year.  I think we've got a lot more talent than that team did.  Next year we'll be better at every single position group.

Rodriguez, a coach with one of the very best resumes in college football, deserves one fucking year with an upperclassmen QB and a roster that doesn't have massive black holes at QB (2008-09), o-line (2008), safety (2009), corner (2010), middle linebacker (2008-mid 2010).

His Dudeness

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:36 AM ^

Completely agree. 3 years is not a fair length of time to evaluate a college coach who changed the offensive system. People he recruited 3 years ago should barely be sniffing the field at this point. I think we should honor the contract we originally agreed to.

Nard Dogg

January 3rd, 2011 at 1:05 PM ^

Not to mention that the recruiting class from three years ago is barely his, with the exception of some late snake oil. That's what I don't get about the whole situation. Sure, this isn't what we want, but look at who is playing. I'd love to see what RichRod and Co. can do with a secondary not full of freshmen and an upperclassman at QB.

switch26

January 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 PM ^

I def. agree that RR needs another year because he deserves another year because the team is so damn young it makes me sick.

 

But here is the thing that made him so successful at WVU.. 

First he had a great D coordinator.  We do not have that, and even though our guys are young, our last game of the year dumbass greg robinson still can't get our guys focused enough to get guys on the field at the right time..

The penalty we got for ezeh running late onto the field completely blew me away..  Whether it was ezeh being terrible like he has been all year, or greg robinson being a complete idiot who knows.

 

2nd part is, we don't have a feature every down back..  At WVU of all fucking places he was able to have a running back like steve slaton and Devine..  We have no one even remotely close to the talent level of those guys...

The amount of pressure this has to put on denard is absurd, coupled with the brutal defense it is too much.

 

I think ultimately RR could succeed, if he had a good D coordinator that either knew how to run the 3-3-5 properly, or someone that could come in and run everything his way immediately.

 

It took him 4 and 5 years at WVU to become a great team, and at Michigan he would need at least 5 to 6 years at this point and there is no way he is gonna be able to get the chance to do that anymore.  This school isn't patient enough, and that is the problem.

RR, if he was still at WVU would prob be in his 3rd or 4th BCS game in as many years because with his offense and WVU D that they had this past year they could of stomped everyone.

readyourguard

January 3rd, 2011 at 12:18 PM ^

"MSU went 6-6 last year and won 11 games this year.  I think we've got a lot more talent than that team did.  Next year we'll be better at every single position group."

Except we have to leave the State of Michigan 4 times AND play Ohio State while adding Nebraska onto the schedule.

dahblue

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:30 AM ^

There you are again!  One of the loudest and most obnoxious of the RR supporters.  Dude, get a little humility.  Your angry support for the coach has blinded you to reality.  There are no excuses great enough to excuse the poor result on the field.  He recruited the players.  He chose the offense.  He chose the defense.  He owns the results.

Thanks for continuing to levy swearing insults though...you're pure class.

Geaux_Blue

January 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 PM ^

please sing Josh Groban. please stick to immature reactionary lulz to deride someone for an opinion they have. because you've so thoroughly proven your point by going HEY LOOK AT HIS RECORD LOOK AT HIS RECORD that, hell, now all you have to do is point to josh groban and Boom man, you've wrapped this beeotch up.

Geaux_Blue

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:58 AM ^

why in the hell did you feel the need to come into this thread. this isn't even on par with people bitching about CC threads by commenting in CC threads. those have a point because they're requesting old content not be reposted. you literally saw a thread where you knew people would be pro-RR and thought "you know what the best idea is? to go in and mock people for supporting RR condescendingly and be a complete dick. then when i upset someone, i'll act like i'm the classy one."

let me make something clear: you are not enlightened to some higher truth. you may or may not have more intelligence than the poster you responded to but it has not led you to a contrary opinion. you simply have a DIFFERENCE. OF. OPINION. stfu.

i hate that i'm now becoming cast as an RR slappie simply bc i keep feeling the need to take the anti-RR crew to task for being jerks.

(as a side note: lol HTML lol)

Nosce Te Ipsum

January 3rd, 2011 at 12:18 PM ^

Where were you in the CC threads in favor of Harbaugh? There were plenty of jerks in those threads but you were nowhere to be found. It's blantantly obvious that people who want RR to be given another year are either afraid to admit they were wrong about his ability to coach Michigan or that they're bigger fans of RR than they are of Michigan football.

Geaux_Blue

January 3rd, 2011 at 12:39 PM ^

because i don't want to read the same OMG HARBAUGH crap. i'm pointing out the inability of others to do the same (avoid posts they disagree/don't want to read).

feel free to link though - i have no problem yelling at people unable to maintain calm discussion, no matter the side. it's just the Anti-RR crew seems to constantly come down on the "you're not smart if you can't agree" side 9 times out of 10.

as for your "one thing or another" - that's a joke. i'm neither and am on the "RR another year" if not for the fact it sets a bad precedent for the university than for a variety of others featured in this thread.

Wolfman

January 3rd, 2011 at 1:02 PM ^

than anti-RR. I'm referring only to those proported UM fans, i.e., Rosenberg, et. al., who have tried any and everything since day one to ensure if he had success here, it would be at the expense of any degree of comfort and without so much as a "Welcome to Michigan" handshake. Their attacks started on Day One and haven't ceased.

These "stree urchins" as Yost called them, make me think ND fans and how utterly hypocritical this type of fan is and sometimes without fear of displaying their ignorance by asking publically questions such as "Is it possible to support your team and not the head coach?"  Now what the fuck kind of question is that? 

I'm amazed that RR still wants this job. Obviously he doesn't have the leverage that UM gave him in regard to a contract buyout. However, I think it speaks more to the person RR is and the simple, but inarguable fact he's never walked away from a job in his life without giving his complete effort. Hell yes I support RR, but for his own good, I think he should contemplate the positives of a divorce because he'll never get along with half of his "in-laws" in this fucking family.  

I'd like, for his sake only and the peace it would bring he and his family to take a job  at a place where expectations aren't so unrealistically high with a more knowlegeable fan base on just how long it takes to pull a 180 in cfb. It took the "flavor of the month" four years to do it at Stanford. How so many fail to realize their tasks and their records were almost identical their first three years is beyond me. The major difference is that one school could actually tolerate the wait; the other, not in this lifetime.

Hell it took me three years to do it at the high school level.

Geaux_Blue

January 3rd, 2011 at 12:46 PM ^

haven't been for a while. during my mod'ship i tried my best to maintain neutrality and avoid such rhetoric. now that i'm a civilian (or whatever), i say what i feel. 

as for your other points: every CC thread is a safe haven for people against RR. further, those threads are a place to discuss the merits of the point being raised, be it a candidate or the reason for or against. a thread marked "check in if you support RR" is not the place to go and say "Y'all dumbasses. I smart and I hates me some RR." it's just not.

dahblue

January 3rd, 2011 at 1:37 PM ^

every CC thread is a safe haven for people against RR

No.  That's entirely incorrect.  CC threads are those where coaching change possibilities are discussed.  Given that it's MGoBubble, they are still ruled primarily by RR loyalists.  Further, you state (a few posts down) that you don't read CC threads.  So, you don't read them but know what they say?

Whether you continue to ignore the reality or not, the pro-RR crowd has been a rude, angry, shouting mob.  They have no standing to complain about anyone calling them out.

Geaux_Blue

January 3rd, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^

CC threads have been/were dominated by anti-RR people discussing why it needed to happen NOW. then someone would swoop in saying "ummm it's a bit hasty to say (insert thread topic)... we still have a head coach." then it would turn into a pissing contest of what side is dumber bc of what they think.

the fact is: i don't even care what goes on in other CC threads. this was one thread in which coming in and trying to pick a fight by ripping someone's argument was not appropriate. flat out. you're decrying the treatment anti-RR people have received after trolling a thread in which you knew you'd only be causing negative interaction. Bubble threads can have one side or the other factor in. if you don't think it's a dick move to intentionally post in and mock sentiments that are the ENTIRE POINT OF THE THREAD, i don't know what to tell you. you must have a blast going to MASH websites and waxing poetically about Trapper John in the "BJ Hunnicutt was the shit" forum

UMdad

January 3rd, 2011 at 2:14 PM ^

I think you would have a hard time finding a CC thread without at least 1 pro-RR jumping in and claiming that the simpletons against RR are just "Uninformed" or some similar derogatory description.  Your argument that when pro-RR factions speak it is calm and intelligent and when anti-RR speak it is ignorant and derogatory speaks to your impartiality and hypocricy. 

dahblue

January 3rd, 2011 at 1:28 PM ^

This is funny:

you literally saw a thread where you knew people would be pro-RR and thought...

My friend, nearly every thread on MGoBlog is pro-RR.  This is the MGoBubble, where people can hide from reality and insult anyone (like where you just called me a "complete dick") who doesn't agree with the notion that RR is a God.  You're not being cast just as a RR-slappie; you've cast yourself as the perfect example of what you're complaining about.

Geaux_Blue

January 3rd, 2011 at 1:57 PM ^

i haven't called out anyone's opinion. i've only attacked the way you, and others, are carrying themselves. there's no room for discourse when people just arrogantly post in this blog declaring their opinion the most important. you actually have zero idea of what i think about RR at this point, you simply know i'm sick of how people who want him fired have posted as of late.

you're correct about one thing: my tone and rhetoric has made it completely impossible for us to politely debate if you are impolite.