CC: Mark Richt revisited - Nebraska Candidate?
Mark Richt has been mentioned a few times in regards to the Nebraska opening given he grew up in the state. Given that tomorrow's meeting between Hoke and Hackett should leave us with an opening, and UGA's loss to Georgia Tech on Saturday, this might be a serious candidate for Michigan to consider.
Reasons for Richt
135-48 overall record
78-34 SEC record
6 first place finishes in the SEC East since 2001
2 SEC Titles
2-1 in BCS bowl games
Runs a clean program
Strong opponent of oversigning
Seems to get more out of less during his tenure at Georgia
Innovative and successful OC while at FSU during the 90s
Reasons against:
1-5 vs Meyer
Doesn't have a ton of marquee wins behind his name
Doesn't seem to win the big one in the SEC
Reasons he might leave:
Worn out by fan base that doesn't understand how good they have it
Worn out by boosters who keep trying to pay kids
Easier to win B1G title than SEC title
Michigan > Georgia (college programs)
Two words: Nick Saban
Reasons he would stay:
SEC east is pretty weak
14 years at Georgia and spent much of his life in the south
Georgia is a talent rich state, next to talent rich Florida
Two words: Urban Meyer
I don't believe we are getting Harbaugh. Miles is just jerking our chain to get a pay raise, and why would he come? No one wants Schiano. A MACtion coach could be the next Bo, or might be the next Hoke - a lot of risk. He's also not a high profile coordinator without any head coaching experience (Narduzzi). Honestly, who else is out there that might be remotely in play and has a winning track record - Todd Graham?
December 1st, 2014 at 10:23 PM ^
and I believe Scott Frost would accept the job offer.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:09 AM ^
Scott Frost has already been hired by Nebraska. That's why Pelini was let go.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:24 PM ^
I believe he is a proven winner and stands for everything that is the University of Michigan. He seems loyal, has no baggage that we know of, and has been a leader on a big stage for quite some time.
I do not like the SEC, but he is one person I would be proud to call our coach.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:13 AM ^
yeah, Richt would be my third call after Harbaugh and Stoops. He's crept up my fantasy list dramatically.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:26 PM ^
I wouldnt mind him, but your last paragraph is unfortunately true, it doesnt look like the fan favorites are going to come.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:30 PM ^
Seriously, what are you guys basing this off of? We haven't even fired our coach yet, the other coaches are still coaching their respective teams - what are you expecting to hear that would make you think either of them was coming?
Why would they talk to the media about their interest in Michigan if a)there is no job opening yet, b) they are still employed?
No one knows anything at this point. That doesn't mean the big names are not coming. On the flip side, it certainly doesn't mean they are, but I don't get where all of these unbased opinions are coming from.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:32 PM ^
that there isnt any real evidence to go off of. Its really just a gut feeling and I usually dont go off my gut feeling so hopefully you are right.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:27 PM ^
I suggest Lloyd Carr. I hear he did pretty well at some school a while ago. Coaching is just like riding a bike, right?
December 1st, 2014 at 10:28 PM ^
It's interesting how many guys are being mentioned as possible movers who have been successful and seem like very good coaches to people outside their campuses, but whose fans seem to be tiring of them. Richt, Stoops, Gundy, Miles, Pelini, etc. All of those guys would be regarded as good hires for many jobs, yet it doesn't seem like their fanbases would miss them.
I think the lesson is that almost every fanbase has ridiculous expectations for its teams.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:34 PM ^
December 1st, 2014 at 11:08 PM ^
Assuming that I'm understanding you correctly, I have no idea what you see in common between [1] Rodriguez's run at Michigan and [2] Richt's run at Georgia, Stoops' run at Oklahoma, Gundy's run at Oklahoma State, Miles' run at LSU, and Pelini's run at Nebraska. Rodriguez seems like just as good of a coach as most of those guys, but those guys all won a lot at their schools and then became stale to their fans. That's what I'm getting at.
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:04 AM ^
I agree that CFB fans have ridiculous expectations, but I understand the Pelini and Gundy ennui. Neither have actually won much of anything, and there's no good indication that they're going to take their programs over the hump consistently. I even get Richt's situation. OK and LSU fans will be sorry if they get their wish (for those that wish it).
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:12 AM ^
I recall when we were tired of Bo, tired of Mo, and tired of Lloyd. It's what fan bases do.
The grass is always greener. You see someone win the lottery and you decide that that's the norm. So you quit your job . . .
December 1st, 2014 at 10:29 PM ^
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If people are ok with another Lloyd (I think most would be). His ceiling probably isn't national championships though, always seems to lose the big one.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:33 PM ^
I think this is the 3rd CC: Richt thread since October. As you said, he is basically a southern Lloyd Carr without a NC. There are pros and cons to that.
For Nebraska he'd be an upgrade over Pelini in that he has won division championships (and I think a SEC championship along the way) but he is pretty well known for not taking that last step. And that is basically what they fired Pelini for. But yes quality individual from all you can tell, does it "right" as best as you can tell in the SEC, and wins a lot of games - but not the closer like a Meyer, Saban type. Not that there are many of those.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:40 PM ^
I agree. A guy I would definitely take, but only if we strike out on the Harbaugh, Miles, Patterson, Stoops types
December 1st, 2014 at 10:29 PM ^
on the hot seat? I haven't heard anything other than the usual "he should always be fired" by the Georgia fans.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:41 PM ^
Richt won a lot when he first got to Georgia then leveled out. The fans have been patient as Richt got two passes over the past few years when they should have been a championship team and bottomed out.
This year they had a playoff caliber team. They didn't have to play Alabama, LSU, either Mississippi team and got Auburn at home. Instead of being in the playoff, they've got 3 bonehead losses. He's done.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:50 PM ^
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December 1st, 2014 at 11:10 PM ^
They set the expectations by starting 6-1. If they didn't lose to Florida this team wins the SEC East and is 10-1 going into the Georgia Tech game. They may not have been expected to be a playoff team, but they were one.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:42 AM ^
December 1st, 2014 at 10:31 PM ^
If he were to become available I think he's a viable...perhaps great...candidate, and probably better than most of the names already mentioned. I think Georgia would be completely off their rocker to let the guy go, but crazier things have happened.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:32 PM ^
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:28 AM ^
you do know that Les is a CEO style coach ala Hoke and that even then he is an offensive guy and has basically no control of the defense, which is entrusted to John Chavis? And that Chavis, who has spent his entire life in Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina and Louisiana, would likely be paid extremely handsomly to remain in the SEC?
I'm not saying that Les wouldn't win here, but if you want the D (lololol) you should probably start making lists of coordinators that we could realistically get. And since he and Cam Cameron are best friends fivever, you may want to consider a DC you'd be comfortable with as your next head coach.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:33 PM ^
December 1st, 2014 at 10:40 PM ^
Mark Stoops record is WORSE than Hoke's record yet you want to hire him as UM's head coach.
I..ugh..
December 1st, 2014 at 10:54 PM ^
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December 1st, 2014 at 11:08 PM ^
when he hired Hoke. Congrats on tha dubious distinction.
Mark Stoops hasn't proven a thing where it matters most--on the field. Who cares that he can recruit? Michigan already has a guy who can recruit.
You have offered no logical reason to hire a guy who has only been a head coach for two years and who currently has never had a winning season. Why the hell would UM fire Brady Hoke for such an unproven commodity?
Michigan doesn't need a recruiter. It needs a coach who can has displayed the ability to coach.Mark Stoops has not done that yet.
Btw, Rich Brooks won at UK. UK is not Vandy. People can win there. What Stoops will need to do is achieve a level of sustained success at UK(8-9 wins per year)that is unusual for UK. Until then he isn't a candidate for any higher job.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:12 PM ^
I see you still haven't figured out yet after four years that recruing ability doesn't always translate to in game coaching . One 2-10 and one 6-6 season isn't enough to qualify Mark Stoops for this job.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:17 PM ^
That's an improvement.
This guys wants UM to fire one 5-7 coach and replace with another 5-7 coach because the latter can recruit.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:22 PM ^
December 1st, 2014 at 11:30 PM ^
There are plenty of candidates with better resumes than Stoops. Anderson at Wisky and Kill for example. I'd looked elsewhere first, but those two would be considered before Stoops.
Butch Jones is worth taking a look at as well.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:40 PM ^
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December 1st, 2014 at 11:11 PM ^
So your analogy doesn't work.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:15 PM ^
December 1st, 2014 at 11:22 PM ^
Two, they would have more experience than just two years experience as a HC.If not that, than go after coordinators with high levels of success at powerhouse schools.
But coaches with losing records--even promising ones--are an nonstarter. Not after Hoke.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:25 PM ^
December 1st, 2014 at 11:35 PM ^
Pelini for starters. He isn't anywhere near the top of my list, but he is far more proven as a head coach than Stoops.That I mentioned a fired HC ought to tell you how far down Stoops is on my list.
You should look at coordinators before a coach with losing record. It isn't happening. Not after Hoke. If Stoops was still a coordinator he'd might get a look. But not now. He''ll have to prove himself now.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:48 PM ^
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December 1st, 2014 at 11:15 PM ^
That's clear to anyone who is reading your posts.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:44 PM ^
December 1st, 2014 at 11:28 PM ^
You make an interesting point about recruiting and the analogy to Ole Miss. I would hazard to guess that the Calipari bagmen are finally showing some green to the football recruits.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:33 PM ^
Richt used to have a monster buyout clause to fire him, but it looks like UGA lessened it substantially when they re-did his deal in 2012. It was 4.8M after 2012, 2.8M after 2013, and it's 2M now. On the flip side, it looks like he no longer owes the school anything if he leaves (instead of 2M). He's signed through the 2016, so UGA probably has to decide whether they're going to extend him this offseason.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:34 PM ^
would jump at this job if offered. I'm not sure if he is going to be offered. I don't think Mullen is even on the search list. Miles realizes that his only chance to win another National title would be with Michigan in the weak B1G conference. The SEC west is just too tough!