CC- "Hoke..not an option"
Has Brian explained what he meant by this yet? Is this a direct quote from someone who would know, or just his personal opinion? I'm sure this has been covered, but I still think its comical how people automatically dismiss him because he isnt a big name at the moment. I've heard a lot of cfb experts weigh in and say he's a really good coach and would be a great hire for us. Yet I know we have a fickle fan base that feels we "have to have a big name coach, because we're Michigan". I think we all know Harbaugh is plan A, but if that deal doesnt get done, it will be very interesting to see Brandon's backup plan. So, I'd be very curious to know if Hoke is indeed not under consideration, and if he's not..who is. I cant really buy Fitzgerald.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:55 PM ^
Where do I say "great coach?" But, even an above average coach would do WAY better than RR has done at M.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:17 AM ^
Not an option.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:31 AM ^
Where do I say "great coach"?
This is so dense that I would assume it has to be sarcastic, but unfortunately I don't think that's the case.
January 4th, 2011 at 1:58 AM ^
January 4th, 2011 at 1:48 AM ^
replied to wrong comment. never mind.
January 4th, 2011 at 1:55 AM ^
January 4th, 2011 at 12:23 AM ^
His record sucks and he is another Lloyd Carr cronie, like DeBord, English and all of the other losers the Lloyd faction keeps trying to jam down our throats.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:57 AM ^
right since all that winning with carr was just annoying... /s
Im not blind to the fact that the game had passed carr by but merely updating and modernizing his values to the 2011 game (which I am confident Hoke could do) is a recipe for success in the big ten and on a national level
January 4th, 2011 at 1:42 AM ^
I'm not in favor of him, but I will stand behind Hoke if he is hired. I somewhat doubt though that someone with his record is capable of implementing a modernized and successful Carr game. Les Miles is a better pick, if DB can overcome all of the politics.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:03 PM ^
RR is not coming back. That much we know. Even the most fervent of RR supporters must now realize its not going to happen. Of course Harbaugh is #1 on the list. But securing him is no sure thing. The 49ers will be able to outbid us and their fans feel its a done deal already. So who is plan B if not Hoke? Miles? Nah. Hoke is considered an up and comer in the coaching ranks and I believe we was listed as the #3 best coach that might be available in one list I saw. I'm not going to do leaps of joy if he's hired either, but I think he'd do a good job.
Now..back to my original queston. Did Brian ever explain his use of quotations or are we to assume its just his opinion? An explanation would be helpful.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:06 PM ^
The only reason people mention Hoke is because of his ties to the program. If he didnt have ties to the school nobody would mention him. It took him a quite few years to build Ball State. There are plenty of other viable options that should be looked at before Hoke.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 PM ^
as quoted from someone in an earlier post. "You dont fire a guy with a track record like RRod after 3 years to get Brady Hoke."
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:18 PM ^
Seriously, are we still looking at RR's track record to judge him as the coach of Michigan? I was a firm believer in RR until I watched our debacle of bowl game. We have not looked like a well coached team this entire year. And seriusly, what more could Hoke have possibly accomplished during his head coaching career? Just because he's not flashy, or doesn't have the big time head coach profile does not mean his a bad coach and does not mean he'd be a bad coach? If you are to look at his track record, and thestate of programs he originally took over, I think you could argue he'd be very succesful at Michigan. RR has not been and I don't see him ever being a succesful coach in AA.
January 4th, 2011 at 9:20 AM ^
His track record didn't start in 2008. Stop picking and choosing your data points.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:10 PM ^
Who would you rather have coaching next year if it was just between Hoke or RR?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:12 PM ^
RRod by a mile.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 PM ^
I've seen what RR can do, I'd be willing to give Hoke a shot. And honestly at this point, it would be an absolute nightmare to bring RR back. Brandon would look like a joke.
January 4th, 2011 at 9:30 AM ^
Give Hoke a shot in a year or two then. He'll still be available.
January 4th, 2011 at 9:47 AM ^
I am a RR supporter, but I don't see how he can come back. The situation here is toxic for him. He will have very little support and IMHO, if he comes back, he is set up for failure. The bowl loss was the icing on the cake for the haters and change some minds of people on the fence about him as a coach.
If RR is going to return, he needs an extension or something to calm the skeptics over 1 more year. Having the appearance of one more year will not help the team. And I don't see anyway that DB will give him an extension after the bowl game. IMHO, I think this was why DB may have waited. He wanted to keep RR and needed some good evidence to back it up.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^
Should not even be a question
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:23 PM ^
Why? Because Hoke isnt a big enough name? Because RR has shown he can field a complete TEAM that is capable of playing with the better teams in the Big 10? I've been an RR supporter from the start, but its apparent now that the damage can not be undone. Chris Balas said on the radio today that the coaches know their fate and have begun saying their goodbyes.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:27 PM ^
you didnt read any of the posts did you?
January 4th, 2011 at 12:02 AM ^
I agree that it shouldn't be a question, but if it is, the answer is Hoke by a mile. Hell, at this point, I would take DeBord, English, Miles, Loefler, Brian (his UFR is aweome), Profitgoblue or Mike Hart over RR.
Face it - RR has presided over the WORST ERA IN MICHIGAN FOOTBALL. That says a lot. He has destroyed our defense. He has destroyed our special teams. And, while this will be unpopular, he has harmed our offense. (Yes, tons of yards, dtnamic, exciting, #6 in the country, spread and shread . . . so long as we are facing crappy competition. Against real defense, our offense - composed largely of upper classmen - has been less than decent).
RR has brought us recruiting violations, a divided fan base, bowl-less seasons and losses to MAC teams. I have seen enough.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:57 AM ^
which recruiting violations are you speaking of?
Talking out of you ass is hazardous to your health.
January 4th, 2011 at 2:02 AM ^
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 PM ^
I wonder if cypress (OP) works in the Athletic Department (possible source of the never-ending rumors concerning Hoke)?
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This twisted fascination with a 52-year-old coach whose record (as noted elsewhere) is 47-50 *and* who has never coached at the BCS level is dazzling to me. Other than widespread panic, I really can't think of an explanation. I can't believe he's in the conversation.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 PM ^
that at this point some people would be willing to make even Drew Sharp the HC just to see RR out.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:29 PM ^
This thread makes my head hurt.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:30 PM ^
Its amazing to me that Mgoblog is the one outlet on planet earth where everyone still seems to be in RR's corner and people get negged for any opinion that isnt pro-RR. And in typical mgoblog fashion, we've got 50 responses and no one has answered my question. I guess I'll just assume Brian never explained his use of quotation.
Look, we all want Harbaugh, I just dont know if its a done deal. And if its not, I just think its going to be difficult for Brandon to sell that bringing RR back is best for the program. Recruiting will be tough sledding for sure, with RR basically in lame duck status for 2011 unless he had an amazing season, which will be very difficult to accomplish with our weaknesss on D. So if Harbaugh goes to the NFL, I wonder what our plan is. If not Hoke..who? I doubt very much its RR.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:32 PM ^
1. Harbaugh
2. Patterson
3. Peterson
4. Hoke
5. RR
6. Les
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:39 PM ^
How many fucking times are fucking people going to fucking bring up Gary fucking Patterson when the motherfucking motherfucker has REPEATEDLY stated he's not leaving his job. He turned down $2 million before from Minnesota, signed an extension last year, and just won the Rose Bowl and is moving to the Big Easy next season. All he needs to go is win in that division and he's guaranteed at minimum at BCS bowl every year. Jesus Christ people are fucking dense.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:06 AM ^
TCU doesn't join the Big East until 2012.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:16 AM ^
My bad. It was riddled with grammatical errors too. Patterson has been brought up 20 million times in the past few days, it's been shot down 20 million times and throroughly explained, and yet it keeps coming back up. Frustrating as hell.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:19 AM ^
Stop with the swearing. You bastard.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:05 AM ^
I've lurked on here for years as a student and now as an alum-but this is getting ridiculous. This is the type of post and thread that would appear on scout or rivals- please don't let this board degenerate into something where crazy theories and lists are thrown around. Let's be realistic in our expectations.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:20 AM ^
To be fair, the OP was not asking for people to list their coaching preferences, it is just what happened. I still want an answer to the OP.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:47 PM ^
I don't put it passed us to keep RR. Again, we have a great show man in Denard. I heard someone say today that there's alumni threatening to not renew their suites if RR comes back. That's quite laughable. If you don't feel Denard is worth coming to see then something is wrong with you.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:06 AM ^
So you enjoyed watching Denard in the Wisco, OSU and Bowl games?
I love Denard, but after Q1 oif both OSU and MSU, I was too busy watching us get the crap beaten out of us to enjoy watching him.
But that's just me. An "exciting" offense doesn't do much for me when it can't score against real defenses and when the team is getting humiliated. Again, that's just me.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 PM ^
there's probably 20 different coaches with better pedigrees than Hoke but you're stomping around acting like he's a viable option bc he went to UM. at this point, that means zero compared to moving forward effectively. RR will get a 4th year before Hoke, who is still an unknown despite his time at UM, is given the reins to a university who, if RR is fired, has "already made a mistake once."
January 4th, 2011 at 12:16 AM ^
But Hoke did not go to Michigan. He played college football at Ball State (OMG abandoned alma mater!!!!) and was the d-line coach here for 8 years after 6 years in the same job at Oregon State. The ties aren't as strong as they're made out to be other than the fact that he's said he would love to coach at Michigan, which, when compared to all the other schools he's been at makes complete sense.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:26 AM ^
Re: "In typical mgoblog fashion..." Dude, Brian didn't explain what the quotation marks meant. You can re-read his post, instead of expecting the rest of us to do something atypical. It just doesn't merit a separate post.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:30 PM ^
Can we just end this thread by saying that Jim Harbaugh is definately coming to Michigan and be done with it?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:39 PM ^
If you read this post it is obvious that we dropped the ball on recruiting before RR stepped foot in A2. If DB doesn't make that a priority (I dare say over being a Michigan Man) we're just spinning in the wind. So can Brady bring in the talent in an environment where people are negative recruiting against us? We must put an end to that!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 PM ^
He recruited Tom Brady to Michigan
January 4th, 2011 at 12:20 AM ^
Brady wasn't a sought-after recruit out of high school. I wish people would stop bringing up this point. It's irrelevant.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:39 AM ^
A poster made a claim the other day or yesterday that Brady was the #10 pro-style QB in his class which would have put him around a 4 Star recruit. For comparison, Threet was the #9 PS QB in his class and a third star was awareded to the #11 ranked QB. I wish I could find the post because I asked for substantiation as I couldn't find any on my own. If it's true, even #10 in the nation is no coup for Hoke. Tom Brady was a prototypical Michigan QB, not shocking that we went after a big white guy with an arm in the 90s. It's not like he was Manning or Tebow coming out of HS.
January 4th, 2011 at 1:14 AM ^
I agree with you. I've researched this before and everything I saw said he wasn't highly rated and he came in as the 7th string QB at Michigan. People who try to tout Hoke blindly point to the fact that he helped recruit Tom Brady as a reason he would have success at Michigan -- i.e., Brady is great and Hoke recruited him, so Hoke must be great too. This is really grasping at straws.
January 4th, 2011 at 12:08 AM ^
That was yet another very irresponsible move by Brian.
Fact is, Brady Hoke is quite worthy, but not compared to Harbaugh.
Don't forget it was Brian who insisted that Shafer had to go.
If we don't get Harbaugh and it ends up being Hoke, you better hope Brian retracts his Hoke comments.