Carr talks re Trent

Submitted by me on May 10th, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Just to round out everyone's statements on the issue


"That paragraph is completely a distortion of my conversation with Morgan," Carr said. "That is a complete distortion, and it is not accurate. I have never spoken with the author. I have never met him. I have never had a conversation with him to the best of my knowledge."


Also, Trent backs off the portion that it was Carr that brought it up


"Lloyd didn't bring any of this to my attention," Trent said. "When we spoke, I brought it up to him, and he said he had heard some of the same things."

From The Detroit News:



May 10th, 2010 at 10:55 PM ^

Yet again, a random pseudo journalist gets the internets all excited about what amounts to nothing. Lloyd Carr should never have even had to respond to such ridiculous crap...and then doesn't it come out that, according to Morgan Trent...well, it just wasn't quite like that at all.

Lloyd Carr deserved better.


May 10th, 2010 at 11:12 PM ^

So now you're faulting Lloyd Carr for taking too long (a day or two, in real time) to respond to this.  I'm looking forward to a time when Lloyd Carr - who stopped coaching in January 2008, mind you - isn't going to be blamed for Michigan's football troubles anymore.


May 10th, 2010 at 11:24 PM ^

You're typically one of my favorite commenters, but you and I both know that the previous coach's impact doesn't disappear immediately upon his departure, and it's been VERY well documented (Misopogon's post is on the front page right now, for example) how lacking the defensive recruiting was at the end of the Carr era.

I don't "blame" Carr anymore than I "blame" any individual player -- his poor recruiting at the end of his tenure is just one small part of our struggles. But you can't deny that it's had an effect.

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May 10th, 2010 at 11:29 PM ^

we will no longer have regular brushfires in the press thanks to guys like the Borens, Braylon, Manningham and Trent.

These are needless distractions for Rich Rodroguez, his staff and his players.

I didn't blame Coach Carr for ANYTHING other than allowing this story, now said to be a false one (per Rodriguez, Carr and Trent) to gain traction in places like the Free Press.


May 11th, 2010 at 6:31 AM ^

"I didn't blame Coach Carr for ANYTHING other than allowing this story, now said to be a false one (per Rodriguez, Carr and Trent) to gain traction in places like the Free Press."

It is truly sad that he let this fester in the MSM for approximately 24-36 hours.  He should have known that angry bloggers and dozens of message board posters would be calling for him to apologize quicker.


May 11th, 2010 at 10:40 AM ^

Lloyd Carr is old school (in his mid-60's).  If he is anything like my parents, his knowledge of the internet and "angry bloggers" is almost none existent.  I would think that that a couple of days to respond to this is pretty reasonable.  He is retired for goodness sakes.....


May 10th, 2010 at 10:16 PM ^

I'm very glad to see this.


Now, if we could only get a statement from Mark Snyder as to why he chose to run this story in the first place.....................


May 11th, 2010 at 12:40 AM ^

Exactly.  Another perfect example of Freep hack journalism.  All they had to do was pick up the phone--like Angelique did--and get a straight confirmation/denial from Lloyd before running this POS story.  Their omission in doing so just proves their malicious intent.


May 10th, 2010 at 11:07 PM ^

Anyone who's 'eating crow" about Carr should instead be shoving it down Morgan Trent's throat. I think everyone who bashed Carr did so on the assumption that Trent was telling at least some semblance of the truth -- instead he appears to have thrown both of his Michigan coaches under the bus. Classy.


May 11th, 2010 at 11:10 AM ^

Although I thought Brian went too far, I held Carr in my mind as very non-supportive of RR.  I'm not sure this has fully changed my opinion, but he's done what he can and that's all that can be asked.  I hope there's a day soon when they both drink champagne or Shlitz or whatever Real Michigan Men drink to toast a BCS win.


May 10th, 2010 at 10:25 PM ^

developing the publicity for their own self-published book. It's in their interest to generate controversy. If Deren had stuck to proven fact and kept the Trent quote out of his magnum opus, nobody would be talking about him or his book. He got what he wanted out of it, and the Michigan football family was collateral damage. He doesn't give a shit; his affiliation is with Rutgers.

Blue in Yarmouth

May 11th, 2010 at 9:25 AM ^

but I disagree with you 100%. Coach Carr did need to say something ESPECIALLY because the statements attributed to him were BS.

He is an employee of the AD at the U of M. When an issue like this comes to light that you are involved in and it has the potential to drag the AD through the mud yet again, you definitely have an obligation to set the record straight IMHE.

It doesn't matter to me whether it is a previous coach who has been employed by the university for 30 years or a desk clerk who has worked for a month. If you are employed by the university and your name is brought up PUBLICLY in a situation that could cause more turmoil for the AD you have to step up and clear the air.

I will go one step further and say that I am not completely statisfied with his statement either. Coach Carr still hasn't clarified what he said, he simply said what he was quoted as saying is a distortion. We know the two talked and something was discussed, but have no idea what it was Coach Carr said.

I'm not implying he said anything against RR, but he could have easily said EXACTLY what he told MT, but chose not to.....

IME, people who simply said that coach Carr needed to step up and tell the world what he said have nothing to apologize for. People are always quick to say we owe Carr this and that for all he has done (and he has done a lot, don't get me wrong). However, I believe he owes the University a lot as well. After all, he has been very well compensated for the time he has given U of M.


May 10th, 2010 at 10:32 PM ^

I've watched M football for 40 years, MT is NOT a Michigan Man in the sense of Bo‘s model! If he was we would not be addressing this RR bashing. Trent should be banished from the M tent! What makes it worse is that he brought a former coach into his distasteful argument and misquoted him to address his grievance.


Trent should not go away mad, he should just go away.


May 10th, 2010 at 10:38 PM ^

This is exactly what needed to happen. Now we are looking at one of two things - Morgan Trent looking like a dickbag or Bobby Deren looking like a dickbag. One of the two's pants are on fire. I seriously doubt this was some sort of "misunderstanding" between the two.

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May 10th, 2010 at 10:46 PM ^

goddamned reason to even suspect it. 

Let's see; in this particular game of telephone, involving (supposedly) Rich Rodriguez, Lloyd Carr, Morgan Trent, and Bobby Deren, we have Rodriguez, Carr and Trent all saying the story is untrue.  Let's not forget the unnamed NFL scout(s).  Who've never said anything, and probably never will, because nobody knows who the fuck they are.  Helluva story.

But Magnus, I think I'm ready for you "looking like a dickbag."


May 10th, 2010 at 11:23 PM ^

The story here was "RichRod badmouths Morgan Trent to NFL scouts, according to Lloyd Carr and Morgan Trent."  The clear implication is that a rift remains between Lloyd and RichRod.

RichRod has denied the statements reported in the book.  Trent has denied the account of the story in the book.  Lloyd Carr, the person who reportedly relayed the information to Trent, calls bullshit (and if you can think of a more unequivocal statement Carr has made in the last 20 years, I'd be surprised). And we have no statements from any named NFL sources. 

What we're left with seems an awful lot like the Free Press reporting of the practice time Jihad.  RichRod MAY have said things to scouts, and Michigan may have exceeded practice time.  But even if some of the underlying facts turned out to be accurate, that wouldn't make the reporting of the event any less bullshit.  Sure, RichRod may have said some negative stuff about Morgan Trent to scouts, but the parties involved have pretty much bitch-slapped the account in the book.